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叫你别思考的那个声音

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本身就在思考

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在打坐的时候

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你心里突然冒出一个声音说

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别想了

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停下来

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观察呼吸

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然后你照做了几秒钟

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又走神了

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然后那个声音又来了

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别想了

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回来

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你有没有发现一件特别诡异的事

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那个一直在提醒你别想的声音

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本身就是在想

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它用语言 用句子

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用最标准的念头形式

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命令你停止使用语言

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停止句子 停止念头

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这是一个完美的死循环

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你越是想抓住那个所谓纯粹的觉知

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你抓到的就越是另一个念头

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哈喽

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大家好

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我是王利杰

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前两期会员区的视频

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我们在搭一个框架

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第一期我说

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你的肉身只是一个碳基的本地小模型

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识神是后天训练出来的

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元神才是真正的玩家

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第二期我说

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你身边的每一个人都有元神

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但绝大多数玩家都没上线

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所以这个世界看起来满地都是NPC

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这两期发出去之后

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评论区出现了一条留言

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把我的整个框架顶到了墙角

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这位朋友说

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你说元神可以观察识神的运行

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但我注意到

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那个在打坐里提醒我别去思考的声音

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本身就是用语言说出来的

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语言就是识神的产物

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所以我怎么知道

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那个观察者

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不是另一个伪装得更高明的识神

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我看到这条留言的第一反应是

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糟了

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他踩到了悖论的七寸

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这不是修行不到位的问题

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这是一个结构性的 数学层面的

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两千五百年来

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从佛陀到禅宗祖师反复撞墙的问题

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今天我必须把它拆开

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因为如果不拆开

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前两期搭的整个框架

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会被这一句话全部推倒

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我们先做一个十秒钟的实验

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你跟着我做

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现在

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请你不要去想念头

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就静静地坐着

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不要去想任何东西

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不要在心里说话

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开始

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停

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我猜你刚才发生了什么

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你大概率冒出来一个声音说

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我在想念头吗

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或者

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我不能想我不能想

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或者

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呼吸

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专注呼吸

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你看

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你想不想念头本身就是一个念头

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你想停止念头的那个意图

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是一个念头

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你监控自己有没有念头的那个监控者

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也是一个念头

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你越用力

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念头越多

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这就像你在水里抓自己的影子

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你越想抓

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水波越乱

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影子越模糊

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你伸出手的那个动作本身

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就是在制造你想消除的东西

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这件事不只发生在蒲团上

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你晚上睡不着

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越告诉自己快点睡

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越睡不着

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你紧张的时候

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越告诉自己别紧张

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越紧张

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你在公众面前讲话

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越提醒自己别脸红

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脸越红

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这都是同一个悖论

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一个系统试图用自己

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去消除自己的某一个状态

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结果那个使用本身就是状态的延续

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修行的人在蒲团上撞到这堵墙

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普通人在生活的每一个角落都在撞这堵墙

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只是没意识到那是同一堵墙

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为什么会这样

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唯识学早就把这个机制画成了图

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玄奘大师把识拆成四分

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第一分叫相分

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就是你心里浮现的所有现象

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一朵云 一句话

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一个声音 一个念头

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都是相分

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第二分叫见分

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就是那个能看到相分的看

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第三分叫自证分

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就是那个知道自己在看的知道

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第四分叫证自证分

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就是知道自己知道在看的那一层

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听起来很绕

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对不对

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但这正是问题所在

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你以为你抓到了纯粹的觉知

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其实你只是从相分爬到了见分

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你以为你抓到了见分

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其实你只是从见分爬到了自证分

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你以为你抓到了自证分

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其实你只是又往上爬了一层

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识就像一个无限延伸的镜子走廊

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每一面镜子都映着上一面镜子

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你永远在镜子里

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你永远找不到那个最早照镜子的人

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这里我想插一幅画

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荷兰版画家埃舍尔有一张著名的画

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叫做画手的手

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画面上一只右手正在用铅笔画一只左手

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而那只左手也正在用铅笔画那只右手

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两只手都从纸里长出来

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又都在画对方

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你看的时候会有一瞬间的眩晕

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你想问

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到底是谁先画的谁

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答案是

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没有先后

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它们就是彼此

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哥德尔 巴赫与埃舍尔的作者侯世达

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把这个结构叫做奇异循环

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他说

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意识就是这样一个奇异循环

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一个系统弯回头来指向自己

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于是凭空生出了自我感

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但你永远找不到这个循环的起点

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因为起点就是它弯回去的那一刻

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那位评论者说的

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用语言提醒我别用语言的那个声音

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在唯识里

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就是见分在监控相分

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它当然是识

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它是识的一部分

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但这不是失败

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这是结构

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你只要还在我要观察自己这个模式里

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你就一定还在识的四分里打转

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禅宗一千多年前就发现了这个死结

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所以禅宗祖师不教你方法

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他们给你一道根本破不了的题

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叫话头

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最有名的话头叫

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念佛是谁

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你天天念阿弥陀佛

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没问题

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但有一天有人问你

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念佛的那个

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是谁

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你想答吗

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你一开口

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是我

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错了

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那个我是念头

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是我的心

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错了

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那个心也是念头

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是觉知

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错了

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觉知两个字一出来就是相分

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所有你能说出来的答案

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全部都是错的

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因为答案要从语言里出来

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而语言本身就是识

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禅师让你参这句话

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参三年五年十年

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参到最后

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你不是想出了一个答案

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你是被这个题逼到了一个境地

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你发现你所有找答案的努力

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全都是另一个问题

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当这个找的动作彻底停下来的瞬间

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禅宗叫

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桶底脱落

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那一刻看到的不是新东西

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是看到了那个永远也找不到的东西

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原来就是那个一直在找的东西本身

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能看的就是被看的

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没有第二个

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临济宗的开宗祖师临济义玄

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给这个东西起了一个名字

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叫无位真人

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他说

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赤肉团上有一无位真人

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常从汝等诸人面门出入

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未证据者看看

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无位是什么意思

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没有座位

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也就是它不在任何一个识的位置上

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不在相分

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不在见分

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不在自证分

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不在证自证分

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它是那个让所有位置可以被指认的背景

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你能指认的

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都不是它

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你不能指认的那个能指认的

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才是它

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所以临济才说

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未证据者看看

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你只能去看

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但你看到的只要是个东西

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那就还不是它

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现在我要请出一位

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你大概率没想到

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会出现在这一期的人物

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库尔特 哥德尔

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一九三一年

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二十五岁的哥德尔

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向全世界公布了一个数学定理

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今天叫不完备定理

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它说什么

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它说

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任何一个足够复杂的

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自洽的形式系统

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都一定存在一些命题

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是这个系统自己无法证明也无法证伪的

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换句话说

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一个系统永远没办法在自己的内部

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把自己彻底说清楚

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一个系统要描述自己的全部

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必须站到自己的外面

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但只要你还在系统内

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你就站不出去

252
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这个定理表面上是讲数学的

253
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但它戳穿了一个更深的真相

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任何自指的系统

255
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都有一个根本的盲点

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你的意识就是一个自指系统

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它要观察自己

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就必须用自己的工具

259
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它的工具是什么

260
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是念头 是语言 是注意力

261
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但这些工具本身

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就是它要观察的对象

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你想用念头去观察念头停下的样子

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你想用语言去描述语言消失的瞬间

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你想用注意力去看见注意力本身

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这在结构上就是不可能的

267
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哥德尔给修行人的礼物是这个

268
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你抓不到那个观察者

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不是因为你修得不够

270
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是因为这件事本身在数学上就是不可能的

271
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你可以稍微松一口气了

272
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两千五百年来的禅师不是骗你

273
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他们只是没办法

274
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用不到一百年前才出现的数学语言

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告诉你这件事而已

276
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那神经科学怎么看

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过去二十年

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最重要的一项发现

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叫默认模式网络

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神经科学家马库斯 赖希勒

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在二零零一年发现

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人在不做任何任务

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就在那儿发呆的时候

284
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大脑反而有一组特定的脑区在剧烈活动

285
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这组脑区主要负责什么

286
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负责自我叙事

287
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负责把过去和未来

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串成一个我的故事

289
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负责那个无时无刻不在脑海里碎碎念的我

290
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后来贾德森 布鲁尔

291
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在耶鲁大学做了一系列研究

292
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他扫描资深禅修者的大脑

293
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发现一件事

294
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非常震撼

295
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这些人在深度禅定的时候

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这个网络的活动会显著降低

297
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也就是说

298
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那个一直在脑子里讲我我我的声音

299
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真的会安静下来

300
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不是被压制了

301
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是被让开了

302
00:10:14,408 --> 00:10:16,461
在这个网络退场的状态里

303
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受试者报告的体验是什么

304
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是不费力的觉知

305
00:10:20,888 --> 00:10:22,821
自我的边界变淡了

306
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讲述的声音也少了

307
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只剩下

308
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看

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本身

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注意

311
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这不是观察者抓住了被观察者

312
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这是观察者和被观察者一起溶解了

313
00:10:35,089 --> 00:10:35,961
剩下的那个东西

314
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没办法用语言描述

315
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因为语言就是默认模式网络的产物

316
00:10:41,449 --> 00:10:42,861
但它就在那里

317
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神经科学家不能告诉你它是什么

318
00:10:45,808 --> 00:10:47,087
他们只能告诉你

319
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当你不再用力去看的时候

320
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它就出现了

321
00:10:51,212 --> 00:10:53,425
我自己刚开始打坐的那几年

322
00:10:53,572 --> 00:10:55,226
最痛苦的就是这件事

323
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我以为打坐就是要不想任何事情

324
00:10:58,372 --> 00:10:59,326
我每次坐下来

325
00:10:59,653 --> 00:11:01,505
就开始全力对抗念头

326
00:11:01,852 --> 00:11:03,346
结果越对抗越乱

327
00:11:03,533 --> 00:11:05,665
半个小时下来比上班还累

328
00:11:05,972 --> 00:11:07,745
后来有一位老师跟我说

329
00:11:07,813 --> 00:11:09,452
你不是来对抗念头的

330
00:11:09,452 --> 00:11:11,106
你是来认识你自己的

331
00:11:11,332 --> 00:11:12,765
你试着不要去赶念头

332
00:11:13,013 --> 00:11:14,226
也不要去抓它

333
00:11:14,332 --> 00:11:15,836
就让它在你面前过

334
00:11:16,222 --> 00:11:17,501
我试了一段时间

335
00:11:17,503 --> 00:11:19,316
发现一件特别神奇的事

336
00:11:19,503 --> 00:11:21,142
当我不再赶它们的时候

337
00:11:21,143 --> 00:11:22,715
它们自己就慢下来了

338
00:11:22,863 --> 00:11:23,615
不是没有了

339
00:11:23,863 --> 00:11:25,542
是它们的速度慢下来了

340
00:11:25,542 --> 00:11:26,875
间隙变长了

341
00:11:27,023 --> 00:11:29,621
在两个念头中间那一小段静默里

342
00:11:29,623 --> 00:11:31,715
我第一次模糊地感觉到

343
00:11:31,743 --> 00:11:33,156
有一个东西在那儿

344
00:11:33,302 --> 00:11:34,056
它没有形状

345
00:11:34,383 --> 00:11:35,015
没有声音

346
00:11:35,302 --> 00:11:36,316
没有名字

347
00:11:36,462 --> 00:11:37,595
但它在那儿

348
00:11:37,863 --> 00:11:38,656
我后来发现

349
00:11:38,983 --> 00:11:41,235
禅师讲的桶底脱落

350
00:11:41,383 --> 00:11:42,981
可能就是那个间隙

351
00:11:42,983 --> 00:11:45,036
突然拉大到无限的那一刻

352
00:11:45,302 --> 00:11:47,436
但它从来不是被你拉大的

353
00:11:47,503 --> 00:11:49,156
是你停止去拉的时候

354
00:11:49,182 --> 00:11:50,572
它自己显的

355
00:11:50,838 --> 00:11:52,271
讲到这里你可能会问

356
00:11:52,598 --> 00:11:53,312
那AI呢

357
00:11:53,799 --> 00:11:55,432
大语言模型有没有这个悖论

358
00:11:55,999 --> 00:11:56,391
我猜

359
00:11:56,879 --> 00:11:57,792
这是个猜想啊

360
00:11:58,119 --> 00:11:59,092
目前没有

361
00:11:59,239 --> 00:12:00,692
因为今天的大模型

362
00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:02,891
虽然能输出关于自己的文字

363
00:12:02,999 --> 00:12:04,312
但它没有一个统一的

364
00:12:04,519 --> 00:12:06,491
贯穿所有字的观察者

365
00:12:06,718 --> 00:12:10,292
每一个字都是被前面的上下文决定的概率采样

366
00:12:10,478 --> 00:12:12,651
没有人在那儿同时知道

367
00:12:12,678 --> 00:12:13,997
上一个字是什么

368
00:12:13,999 --> 00:12:15,472
下一个字将是什么

369
00:12:15,639 --> 00:12:16,972
自己正在生成

370
00:12:17,239 --> 00:12:19,891
它是一个没有奇异循环的语言机器

371
00:12:20,198 --> 00:12:21,518
这正好反过来

372
00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:23,572
证明了那个悖论的存在

373
00:12:24,438 --> 00:12:27,411
你之所以会被监控者悖论困住

374
00:12:27,558 --> 00:12:30,531
是因为你内在有一个真的奇异循环

375
00:12:30,838 --> 00:12:33,172
AI暂时还没有这个困境

376
00:12:33,239 --> 00:12:35,651
所以它也没有这把钥匙

377
00:12:36,117 --> 00:12:37,930
所以我们现在可以回头

378
00:12:37,958 --> 00:12:39,810
看那位评论者的问题了

379
00:12:40,117 --> 00:12:40,470
他说

380
00:12:40,757 --> 00:12:42,877
那个提醒我别思考的声音

381
00:12:42,877 --> 00:12:44,290
本身就是思考

382
00:12:44,718 --> 00:12:45,070
是的

383
00:12:45,318 --> 00:12:46,731
他完全说对了

384
00:12:46,917 --> 00:12:48,450
但他没有发现的是

385
00:12:48,517 --> 00:12:50,210
这正是答案的开始

386
00:12:50,277 --> 00:12:51,651
不是答案的失败

387
00:12:51,797 --> 00:12:54,450
因为只要你还在试图抓住觉知

388
00:12:54,558 --> 00:12:56,930
你就还在用念头追念头

389
00:12:57,277 --> 00:12:59,531
当你彻底放弃追的那一刻

390
00:12:59,718 --> 00:13:01,196
那个一直被追的

391
00:13:01,198 --> 00:13:02,970
就第一次显出来了

392
00:13:03,358 --> 00:13:05,090
它从来没有躲过你

393
00:13:05,438 --> 00:13:08,237
它就是你正在用来追它的那只手

394
00:13:08,904 --> 00:13:10,158
识神是工具

395
00:13:10,424 --> 00:13:11,997
元神不是另一个东西

396
00:13:12,345 --> 00:13:15,518
元神是工具放下的那个瞬间剩下的

397
00:13:15,664 --> 00:13:16,377
什么也没有

398
00:13:16,625 --> 00:13:17,731
又什么都在

399
00:13:18,198 --> 00:13:20,330
我在评论区试着回他的时候

400
00:13:20,358 --> 00:13:21,450
说过一句话

401
00:13:21,678 --> 00:13:23,710
元神可能是没有语言的

402
00:13:23,958 --> 00:13:25,050
只有觉知

403
00:13:25,397 --> 00:13:28,011
我现在觉得这个表述还不够准确

404
00:13:28,318 --> 00:13:29,550
更准确的说法是

405
00:13:29,917 --> 00:13:31,491
元神不是一个东西

406
00:13:31,678 --> 00:13:33,090
不是一个存在物

407
00:13:33,198 --> 00:13:34,590
所以它不能被找到

408
00:13:34,877 --> 00:13:35,710
不能被抓到

409
00:13:35,958 --> 00:13:37,491
不能被语言描述

410
00:13:37,678 --> 00:13:39,676
它是这一切发生的背景

411
00:13:39,678 --> 00:13:42,131
但它不是背景里的某一个对象

412
00:13:42,358 --> 00:13:43,690
就像你的眼睛

413
00:13:43,718 --> 00:13:45,651
永远看不到自己的眼睛

414
00:13:45,718 --> 00:13:46,991
不是因为眼睛太小

415
00:13:47,358 --> 00:13:48,676
而是因为眼睛

416
00:13:48,678 --> 00:13:50,611
就是看的那个东西本身

417
00:13:51,478 --> 00:13:53,210
手电筒可以照亮一切

418
00:13:53,358 --> 00:13:54,837
但它没办法照亮

419
00:13:54,838 --> 00:13:57,011
自己发出的那束光的源头

420
00:13:57,198 --> 00:13:59,611
因为光源就在它自己里面

421
00:13:59,797 --> 00:14:01,237
你想拿一面镜子

422
00:14:01,238 --> 00:14:03,450
去照镜子里的另一面镜子

423
00:14:03,517 --> 00:14:05,450
无论你怎么调整角度

424
00:14:05,637 --> 00:14:08,076
镜子里出现的永远是镜子

425
00:14:08,078 --> 00:14:10,791
永远不是那个看镜子的人

426
00:14:11,258 --> 00:14:13,630
这一集我没有给你任何方法

427
00:14:13,738 --> 00:14:15,151
因为方法本身

428
00:14:15,177 --> 00:14:16,250
就是你和它之间

429
00:14:16,618 --> 00:14:17,951
多出来的一道墙

430
00:14:18,417 --> 00:14:19,990
我只是想跟你一起

431
00:14:20,057 --> 00:14:22,151
把这道墙拆掉一小块

432
00:14:22,618 --> 00:14:24,510
下一次你在打坐的时候

433
00:14:24,658 --> 00:14:27,311
那个声音又跳出来命令你别思考

434
00:14:27,577 --> 00:14:28,451
不要跟它打架

435
00:14:28,778 --> 00:14:30,110
也不要听它的

436
00:14:30,337 --> 00:14:31,490
你只需要笑一下

437
00:14:31,898 --> 00:14:32,710
看着它

438
00:14:32,858 --> 00:14:35,831
知道它是镜子走廊里的又一面镜子

439
00:14:36,098 --> 00:14:37,350
然后让它去

440
00:14:37,778 --> 00:14:38,630
让它说

441
00:14:39,098 --> 00:14:40,151
让它命令

442
00:14:40,498 --> 00:14:41,171
看着它说

443
00:14:41,697 --> 00:14:42,791
看着它命令

444
00:14:42,898 --> 00:14:43,770
看着它消失

445
00:14:44,138 --> 00:14:46,110
看着下一个又冒出来

446
00:14:46,337 --> 00:14:47,911
你不用做任何事

447
00:14:48,177 --> 00:14:50,390
你不用变成更好的观察者

448
00:14:50,577 --> 00:14:53,031
你不用追上那个最深的觉知

449
00:14:53,778 --> 00:14:54,571
看本身

450
00:14:54,937 --> 00:14:57,191
就是那个一直没缺席的觉知

451
00:14:57,337 --> 00:14:59,384
在自己看见自己

452
00:14:59,731 --> 00:15:01,103
在生活里也一样

453
00:15:01,290 --> 00:15:02,904
下一次你失眠的时候

454
00:15:02,930 --> 00:15:04,703
不要再命令自己快点睡

455
00:15:04,930 --> 00:15:06,424
下一次你焦虑的时候

456
00:15:06,451 --> 00:15:08,304
不要再命令自己别焦虑

457
00:15:08,491 --> 00:15:10,049
下一次你愤怒的时候

458
00:15:10,050 --> 00:15:12,343
不要再责怪自己怎么又愤怒了

459
00:15:12,451 --> 00:15:13,684
那个发命令的声音

460
00:15:13,971 --> 00:15:15,490
和被命令的状态

461
00:15:15,491 --> 00:15:17,223
是同一个东西的两面

462
00:15:17,530 --> 00:15:18,524
它们一起出现

463
00:15:18,890 --> 00:15:20,144
也一起消失

464
00:15:20,371 --> 00:15:21,650
你只需要看着

465
00:15:21,650 --> 00:15:24,103
这一对双胞胎在你心里跳舞

466
00:15:24,131 --> 00:15:25,063
不去拉架

467
00:15:25,410 --> 00:15:26,363
拉架的那只手

468
00:15:26,650 --> 00:15:29,111
就是它们诞生的源头

469
00:15:29,497 --> 00:15:31,111
我想听听你的故事

470
00:15:31,578 --> 00:15:32,871
你在打坐的时候

471
00:15:33,137 --> 00:15:35,210
有没有遇到过这个监控者的悖论

472
00:15:35,858 --> 00:15:37,090
你是怎么处理它的

473
00:15:37,698 --> 00:15:40,310
你有没有过那种桶底脱落的瞬间

474
00:15:40,458 --> 00:15:41,570
哪怕只有半秒钟

475
00:15:42,098 --> 00:15:42,810
也告诉我

476
00:15:43,218 --> 00:15:45,271
你希望下一次我们聊什么

477
00:15:45,377 --> 00:15:47,751
是把哥德尔定理讲得再深一点

478
00:15:47,777 --> 00:15:50,590
还是去拆默认模式网络的更多研究

479
00:15:50,698 --> 00:15:52,550
或者干脆继续往下挖

480
00:15:52,578 --> 00:15:54,411
进入观察者悖论的第四层

481
00:15:55,297 --> 00:15:56,476
我都听你的

482
00:15:57,136 --> 00:15:57,847
我是王利杰

483
00:15:58,091 --> 00:15:59,091
我们下期见