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鸠摩罗什

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破戒僧人如何定义读经

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公元四零一年的冬天

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长安城迎来了一个人

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他年近六十

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头发花白

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走了很远很远的路

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他不是自己要来的

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准确地说

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是被请来的

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但你再追问一层

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他其实是被抢来的

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十七年前

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一支七万人的军队攻破了他的家乡

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把他像件战利品一样带走了

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然后他就被扣在西北

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整整十七年

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这十七年里

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他被逼着喝酒

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被逼着娶妻

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一个从七岁就出家的僧人

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最根本的戒律

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被人强行撕开了

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但就是这个人

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在接下来的十二年里

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翻译出了中国佛教最核心的一批经典

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我们今天读的金刚经 法华经 维摩诘经

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走的节奏

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用的腔调

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都是他定下来的

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一千六百年了

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几乎没人换掉过他的版本

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他叫鸠摩罗什

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哈喽

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大家好

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我是王利杰

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上期结尾

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我说佛教进入中国快三百年了

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文和质的翻译争论一直没消停

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始终缺一个人

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一个能拿出作品直接把争论了结掉的人

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公元四零一年年底

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这个人走进了长安城

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他就是今天要讲的鸠摩罗什

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要理解他后来做成的事

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得先从他的出生讲起

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因为他这辈子的走向

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从出生那一刻就被注定了

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只是注定的方式

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谁也没猜到

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鸠摩罗什大约生在公元三四四年

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出生地是龟兹

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就是今天库车一带

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丝绸之路上一个极其关键的中转站

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东来西往的商人 僧侣 使节

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全要从这里过

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龟兹不只是一个路过的地方

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它本身就是当时西域最重要的佛教中心之一

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城里寺庙林立

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高僧云集

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在这样的环境里长大

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佛法对他来说不是一门外来的学问

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而是空气一样的日常

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他父亲叫鸠摩罗炎

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是从印度来的

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鸠摩罗炎出身印度的贵族家庭

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本来是要继承相国之位的

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但他不要

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出家为僧

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然后一路东行

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走到了龟兹

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龟兹王对他非常敬重

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把自己的妹妹嫁给了他

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这位公主叫耆婆

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就是鸠摩罗什的母亲

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耆婆自己也极聪慧

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后来她也出了家

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修行据说非常精进

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你想象一下这个孩子的起点

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父亲是印度来的高僧

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梵文和佛法都是骨子里的东西

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母亲是龟兹王室

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聪明

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有决断

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这两条线拧在一起

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生出来了一个什么样的人

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鸠摩罗什七岁跟母亲一起出家

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七岁

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我自己七岁的时候在干什么

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大概在追蜻蜓

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他七岁已经在背经了

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而且他不是一般意义上的聪明

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他是那种让老师感到震动的聪明

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少年时代他跟着各地的名师学法

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先学小乘

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后来转向大乘

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据记载

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他每天能背上千偈颂

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理解经义的速度远超常人

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不到二十岁

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他已经是西域公认的佛法天才

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各国的国王见了他

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都以老师之礼相待

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他的名声像风一样

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从西域一路吹到了中原

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吹到了一个很重要的人耳朵里

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这个人叫苻坚

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前秦的皇帝

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苻坚统一了中国北方大半疆域

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是那个年代最有权势的人之一

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他对佛教有真实的兴趣

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不是做样子

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他听人说

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西域有个叫鸠摩罗什的年轻僧人

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精通大乘佛法

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学识无人能及

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苻坚就动了念头

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他觉得无论如何

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一定要把这个人弄到长安来

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公元三八二年前后

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苻坚做了一件很疯狂的事

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他派大将吕光率领七万大军远征西域

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名义上是拓展疆土

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但苻坚私下交代了一句话

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你到了龟兹

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把鸠摩罗什给我带回来

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你仔细想想这件事

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一个皇帝

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动用七万兵力

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其中一个重要任务

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是去抢一个和尚

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中国历史上

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为了得到一个僧人而出动大军的

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我想不出第二个例子

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公元三八四年

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吕光攻破了龟兹

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鸠摩罗什成了战利品

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但接下来的事

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谁都没有预料到

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吕光带着鸠摩罗什往东走

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走到半路

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消息传来

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苻坚在淝水之战中大败

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前秦已经分崩离析了

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不久之后

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苻坚本人也死了

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吕光停了下来

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长安回不去了

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回去也没有人接应

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他索性在凉州自立为王

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建了一个叫后凉的小政权

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凉州就在今天甘肃武威一带

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鸠摩罗什就这样被留在了凉州

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原本是要去长安的

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结果卡在了半路

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这一卡

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就是整整十七年

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这十七年里究竟发生了什么

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详细的记录不多

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但有几件事是确凿的

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吕光是一个武人

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他打仗厉害

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可他不懂佛法

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也完全不在乎佛法

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鸠摩罗什在他眼里

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不过是一颗奇货可居的棋子

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留着

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总有一天能换点什么

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更过分的是

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吕光故意去羞辱鸠摩罗什的出家身份

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据史料记载

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吕光逼鸠摩罗什娶了龟兹公主

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还灌他酒

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逼他做一个出家人不该做的事

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一个从七岁就开始持守的戒律

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被一个根本不在意它是什么的人

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当面撕碎了

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你可能也有过类似的时刻

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不一定是那么极端的处境

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但你生命里很珍贵的某个东西

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被一个完全不理解它价值的人

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轻轻松松就毁掉了

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你拦不住

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你也解释不了

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那种无力感

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是很深的

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鸠摩罗什在那种处境里

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待了十七年

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十七年是什么概念

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一个人从二十岁活到三十七岁

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或者从三十岁活到四十七岁

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你人生中最有精力

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最该做事的那段年华

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他全花在了一个谁也不会来接他的西北小城里

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但他没有垮

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不但没有垮

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他还在那段被所有人看作荒废的日子里

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悄悄做了一件事

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他学会了汉语

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不是日常会话那种程度

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他学到了能精确分辨中文字句轻重

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节奏 韵味的地步

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十七年

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日复一日地听凉州的人说话

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读中原流传过来的书

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一个字一个字地琢磨汉语的肌理

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用今天的话说

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他把自己整个人泡进了中文的语境里

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泡了整整十七年

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这件事的意义

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直到后来他开始翻译

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人们才明白过来

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在他之前

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所有翻译佛经的人都面临同一个困境

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这就是我们上期讲过的那个争论

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直译

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中国人觉得像天书

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意译

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原文的精确含义又跑了

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将近两百年

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没有人找到让双方都服气的解法

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鸠摩罗什是唯一一个同时站在两种语言内部的人

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他的梵文是母语级的

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从小在经文里长大

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他的汉语

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是在中国大地上泡了十七年泡出来的

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他不是从这头架一座桥到那头

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他是两只脚分别扎在两边的土里

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这种双重的内在通透

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在他之前没有任何一位译者做到过

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命运是很奇怪的东西

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那段最屈辱 看起来最没有价值的囚禁岁月

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恰恰给了他最关键的准备

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如果苻坚没死

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如果他顺利到了长安

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他四十岁上下就开始翻译

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汉语还远远不到那个火候

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是那十七年的耽搁

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把他磨成了一把别人磨不出来的刀

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公元四零一年

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后秦的皇帝姚兴灭掉了后凉

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姚兴也崇佛

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比苻坚更加虔诚

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他把鸠摩罗什郑重地迎入长安

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以国师之礼相待

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那一年

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鸠摩罗什大约五十八岁

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他终于到了那座他本该早早抵达的城市

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迟到了将近二十年

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但也许恰恰是这份迟到

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让他准备好了

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姚兴在长安的逍遥园为他设立了一个译场

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这不是几个人关起门来翻译的作坊

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这是一个国家级的工程

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据记载

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参与译经的僧人和学者多达八百余人

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鸠摩罗什坐在中间

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念出梵文原文

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逐句讲解含义

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旁边的中国僧人跟他一起推敲

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怎么用最准确又最自然的中文把它说出来

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他在这个译场里

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完成了金刚经 法华经 中论

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维摩诘经等几十部核心经典的翻译

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后来的统计说总量超过三百卷

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你还记得上一期讲的竺法护吗

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他一辈子译了大约一百六十部经

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已经很了不起了

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鸠摩罗什在数量上不比他少

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更重要的是质量

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竺法护的法华经叫正法华经

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鸠摩罗什后来重译了一遍

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就是我们今天读的妙法莲华经

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同一部经

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两个译本

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后来的人几乎只读鸠摩罗什的版本

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不是因为竺法护不够努力

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而是鸠摩罗什对两种语言的理解深度

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不在一个层面上

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这些译本有多重要呢

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我打一个也许不太恰当的比方

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在他之前

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中国人读佛经

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像用翻译软件看一首外国诗

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字面上大致对得上

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但你总觉得隔着一层什么东西

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在他之后

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中国人拿起佛经

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忽然觉得这好像就是用中文写的

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那种通透 流畅

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又不丢原意的感觉

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是他第一个做到的

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一千六百多年过去了

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今天你走进任何一座寺庙

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听僧人诵经

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或者你打开手机翻到一部金刚经

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那些句子的节奏和韵味

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还是鸠摩罗什留下来的

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关于金刚经到底讲了什么

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解构佛学系列那期已经做过完整拆解

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这里就不展开了

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今天我只想说他这个人

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鸠摩罗什一辈子绕不开一个问题

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就是戒律

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他破了戒

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这件事当时就有人议论

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一千多年后的今天还有人提

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一个破了戒的僧人

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翻译的经可信吗

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他有资格被叫高僧吗

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鸠摩罗什自己怎么看这件事

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有一个记载流传得很广

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他对身边的弟子打了一个比喻

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他说

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我好比一朵长在污泥里的莲花

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你们要取的是莲花

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不要管污泥

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你们学我翻译的法

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不要学我个人的行为

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这话你可以当自谦来听

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但我觉得它触碰到了一个更深的问题

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一部经翻译得准不准

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取决于译者是不是真正吃透了两种语言

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是不是真的理解了经文说的是什么

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这跟译者本人的生活有没有瑕疵

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是两码事

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鸠摩罗什破了戒

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但他对梵文的把握

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对中文的感觉

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对佛理的领悟

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一样也没有打折

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这跟我们这个系列一直在追的一条线索对上了

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佛法从印度到中国

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一路走来

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始终有一个张力在那儿

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就是法本身和传法的载体之间的关系

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教义是一回事

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传递教义的人 组织 形式

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是另一回事

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鸠摩罗什的一生把这个张力推到了极端

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他个人在戒律上是不完整的

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但他留下的译本

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一千六百年来几乎无法替代

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后来的玄奘也翻译了金刚经

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学术上更加严谨

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但寺庙里诵的

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书法家抄的

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老百姓熟悉的

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到今天还是鸠摩罗什的版本

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我有时候想

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也许这就是留给后人的一道考题

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不是考鸠摩罗什

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是考每一个读经的人

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你看的是这个人

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还是这部经

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你在意的是手指上的泥

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还是手指指向的月亮

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据传说

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鸠摩罗什在圆寂之前

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当众立下了一个誓言

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他说

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如果他这辈子翻译的经文没有错谬

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死后火化的时候

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舌头不会烧毁

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传说他被火化之后

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全身化为灰烬

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唯独舌头完好如初

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这个故事是不是事实

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我没办法替你证实

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历史文献里确实有这条记载

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但传说和史实之间的距离

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你我心里都清楚

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不过它之所以流传了一千六百多年

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一定有它被需要的原因

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人们需要一个象征

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需要一个证据

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哪怕只是象征性的证据

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证明有些话的价值

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不会因为说话的人有缺陷

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就打了折扣

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舌头不坏

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说的是法不坏

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好了

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鸠摩罗什的故事讲到这里

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但佛教进入中国的故事

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远远没有讲完

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你想

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鸠摩罗什带来的是一整套高质量的翻译

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可翻译到手了

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就意味着中国人真正消化了吗

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经典有了通透的中文版本

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但中国人自己怎么理解它

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怎么把它跟自己读的老庄

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自己敬的祖宗

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自己过的日子融到一起

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怎么从翻译者变成创造者

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走出一条只属于中国人自己的佛学之路

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在鸠摩罗什之后

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中国人不再只是翻译佛经了

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他们开始写自己的注疏

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立自己的学派

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甚至创造出了印度佛教里根本不存在的宗派

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这是怎么发生的

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是谁迈出了第一步

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这些

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留到下一期再说

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你觉得鸠摩罗什这个人怎么样

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一个传递真理的人

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他自己一定要是完美无缺的吗

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还是说

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恰恰因为他不完美

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他才更能打动人

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评论区说说你的想法

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我是王利杰

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我们下期见