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圆觉经说

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你从来就是醒着的

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你有没有过这种感觉

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某一天你忽然领悟了一件事

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那个领悟来得特别快

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快到你觉得自己不像是刚刚学会的

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更像是突然想起来的

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好像这个答案一直就在那里

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只是你之前一直没看见

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你回不去了

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你不可能假装自己不知道这件事

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那一刻你会隐约觉得

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这不像是获得

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更像是恢复

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哈喽

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大家好

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我是王利杰

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今天我们进入一部在汉传佛教里极其特殊的经典

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它叫大方广圆觉修多罗了义经

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简称圆觉经

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唐代佛陀多罗翻译的

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这部经在禅宗 华严宗的影响都非常大

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宗密大师专门给它写过注疏

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为什么说它特殊

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因为大多数经典是在告诉你怎么修

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修什么法门

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走什么次第

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先断什么后证什么

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但圆觉经上来就把底牌掀了

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它说

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你要找的那个东西

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你已经有了

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不是你将来修成之后才有的

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是你现在这一秒就有的

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你从来就没有失去过它

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这句话听着很鸡汤对不对

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别急

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我们慢慢拆

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先说一个你可能经历过的场景

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你有没有试过找一样东西

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钥匙 手机 眼镜

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翻遍了整个房间就是找不到

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然后有人走过来说

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你手上拿着的不就是吗

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你低头一看

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它一直就在你手里

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你不是找到了它

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你是终于注意到它了

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圆觉经说的觉性

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就是这把你手里一直攥着的钥匙

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这部经的核心概念叫觉性本圆

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觉

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就是觉知

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圆

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就是圆满具足

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觉性本圆四个字翻译成大白话就是

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你那个能觉知的能力

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从一开始就是完整的

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不是拼凑出来的

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不是后天加工的

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不是修行修出来的

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你可能会问

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那修行在干什么

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圆觉经的回答非常干脆

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修行不是在造一个觉性出来

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修行是在把挡住觉性的东西移开

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觉性本身从来没坏过

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也从来没走过

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我第一次读到这个思路的时候

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愣了很久

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因为它和我们通常理解的进步逻辑完全不一样

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我们从小接受的教育是

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你不会的东西

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要通过学习去获得

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你不具备的能力

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要通过训练去培养

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从零到一

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从无到有

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这是我们熟悉的方向

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但圆觉经说

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在觉性这件事上

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方向是反过来的

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不是从无到有

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是从遮蔽到显露

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你不是在建一栋楼

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你是在擦一面镜子

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不对

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连擦都不准确

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因为上两期我们在六祖坛经里聊过

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慧能说本来无一物

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连镜子都不需要擦

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圆觉经比这还要再进一步

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它说

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不但不需要擦

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那个遮蔽本身也是幻的

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这就是这部经真正让人头皮发麻的地方

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经文里有一段话

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我读给你听

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善男子

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一切众生种种幻化

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皆生如来圆觉妙心

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犹如空花从空而有

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幻花虽灭空性不坏

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众生幻心还依幻灭

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诸幻尽灭觉心不动

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依幻说觉亦名为幻

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若说有觉犹未离幻

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说无觉者亦复如是

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是故

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幻灭名为不动

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善男子

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一切菩萨及末世众生

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应当远离一切幻化虚妄境界

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由坚执持远离心故

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心如幻者亦复远离

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远离为幻亦复远离

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离远离幻亦复远离

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得无所离即除诸幻

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譬如钻火两木相因

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火出木尽灰飞烟灭

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以幻修幻亦复如是

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诸幻虽尽不入断灭

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善男子

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知幻即离

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不作方便

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离幻即觉

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亦无渐次

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一切菩萨及末世众生依此修行

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如是乃能永离诸幻

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这段经文信息量极大

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但核心就落在最后那两句

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知幻即离

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不作方便

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离幻即觉

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亦无渐次

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我来一层一层拆

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知幻即离

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什么意思

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你认出幻相是幻相的那一刻

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你就已经从幻相里出来了

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不需要额外再做一个动作把自己拉出来

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认出来这件事本身

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就是出来

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不作方便

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不需要借助什么特殊的方法

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不需要念咒

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不需要打坐三天三夜

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不需要找一个上师帮你开光

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认出来就行了

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离幻即觉

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从幻相里出来了

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那个状态就是觉

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觉不是一个你还需要额外去证得的境界

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你离开了遮蔽

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剩下的就是本来面目

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亦无渐次

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没有一步一步的过程

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不是先觉百分之三十

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再觉百分之六十

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最后觉百分之百

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觉就是觉

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一下子的事

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你把这四句话连起来读

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它在说什么

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它在说

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觉悟不是一个目的地

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觉悟是一个发现

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你不是在走向觉悟

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你是在发现自己从来没离开过觉悟

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这个逻辑

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和我们之前在大乘起信论那一期

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聊过的本觉概念是打通的

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大乘起信论说一心二门

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心真如门里面的那个心

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从来就是清净的

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圆觉经把这个说法又推进了一步

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它不只说心本来清净

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它连清净这个判断都拿掉了

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它说

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你连说有觉都还没有离开幻

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说无觉也一样

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所有的语言描述

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包括觉这个字本身

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都是在幻的范围内用的工具

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用完之后

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工具也要放下

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这就好比你做了一场噩梦

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梦里你被老虎追

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你吓得半死

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拼命跑

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然后你醒了

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醒了之后你需要做什么

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需要再打一只老虎来确认自己醒了吗

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不需要

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醒过来这件事本身就是全部

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你不需要证明自己醒了

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你就是醒了

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但这里有一个巨大的陷阱

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很多人读到这里

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会得出一个非常危险的结论

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既然觉性本来就有

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既然一切都是幻

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那我什么都不用做了

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反正我已经是佛了嘛

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圆觉经自己就知道人会这么想

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所以经里另一章

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还有一段更猛的话

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善男子

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一切障碍即究竟觉

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得念 失念无非解脱

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成法 破法皆名涅槃

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智慧 愚痴通为般若

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菩萨 外道所成就法同是菩提

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无明 真如无异境界

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诸戒 定 慧及淫 怒 痴俱是梵行

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众生 国土同一法性

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地狱 天宫皆为净土

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有性 无性齐成佛道

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一切烦恼毕竟解脱

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法界海慧照了诸相犹如虚空

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此名如来随顺觉性

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你听到了吗

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一切障碍即究竟觉

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淫怒痴俱是梵行

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地狱天宫皆为净土

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如果只看字面意思

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这简直是在说你干什么都行

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反正都是觉

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很多人确实是这么理解的

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历史上有一些人

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拿这段经文去给自己的放纵找理由

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但请注意最后那六个字

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如来随顺觉性

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这段话描述的不是你现在的状态

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是如来的境界

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是一个已经彻底看穿一切幻相的觉者

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站在那个位置回头看

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发现一切对立都消融了

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在他那里

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障碍和觉悟确实是同一件事

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因为他已经不会被任何一边粘住了

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但对于还没有达到那个境界的人来说

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这段话不是操作手册

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是风景描述

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你站在山脚下

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有人告诉你山顶的风景是什么样的

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你不能因为知道了山顶的风景

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就假装自己已经在山顶了

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这个区别

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是读圆觉经最容易踩的坑

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你可能也有过类似的经验

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你在书上读到一个道理

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觉得自己完全懂了

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可是某一天

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生活里真的遇到了那件事

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你发现自己的反应

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和那个道理完全不是一回事

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知道和做到之间

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有一条真实的距离

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圆觉经并没有否认这条距离

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它只是告诉你

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走完这条距离的能力

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你已经有了

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经文里还有一个比喻特别有意思

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它说

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譬如钻火两木相因

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火出木尽灰飞烟灭

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你用两块木头摩擦来生火

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火着了之后

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木头也烧完了

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你不能说火是从木头里修出来的

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火本来就有生起来的可能性

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木头只是让它显现的条件

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而且条件用完了

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条件本身也消失了

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以幻修幻

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亦复如是

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经文原话就是这四个字

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你用幻来修幻

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用来修行的方法也是幻的

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要被修的烦恼也是幻的

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两块木头烧完了

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火也不需要了

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什么都不剩

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但这不是断灭

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经文特别强调

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诸幻虽尽

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不入断灭

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不入断灭这四个字太重要了

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它把圆觉经和虚无主义彻底切开了

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幻消失了之后剩下的不是一片空白

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是觉心不动

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那个觉知的能力

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那个本来就在那里的东西

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它从头到尾都没有动过

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我再换一个角度帮你理解这件事

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你有没有注意过电影院的银幕

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电影在放的时候

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你看到的是故事 画面 人物

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你会被感动

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会害怕

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会紧张

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但你仔细想想

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银幕本身有没有变过

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从第一个镜头到最后一个镜头

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银幕就是一块白布

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它没有因为放恐怖片就变黑

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也没有因为放喜剧就变亮

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所有的故事都在它上面投射

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但所有的投射都不是它

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圆觉经说的觉性

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就是那块银幕

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你的喜怒哀乐

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你的烦恼和开悟

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你的无明和智慧

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都是投射上去的电影

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电影有开始有结束

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银幕没有

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银幕不需要等电影放完才存在

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它在电影放映之前就在那里

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放映结束之后还在那里

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经文里还有一段话印证了这个意思

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善男子

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此菩萨及末世众生

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修习此心得成就者

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于此无修亦无成就

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圆觉普照寂灭无二

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于中百千万亿不可说阿僧祇恒河沙诸佛世界

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犹如空花乱起 乱灭

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不即 不离

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无缚 无脱

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始知众生本来成佛

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生死 涅槃犹如昨梦

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众生本来成佛

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生死涅槃犹如昨梦

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你把这句话

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和我们之前在楞严经那一期讲的七处征心

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放在一起看

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楞严经问你心在哪里

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问了七次

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每次都推翻

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它用的是减法

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一层一层剥掉你以为心在的地方

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圆觉经用的方法不一样

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它直接告诉你答案

346
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你的心不在任何一个地方

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因为觉性就是整个空间本身

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你不能问空间在空间的哪个位置

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空间就是容纳一切位置的那个东西

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这两部经用不同的路径

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指向同一个目的地

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楞严经是外科手术

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把遮蔽一层层切开让你自己看见

354
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圆觉经是直接把灯打开

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告诉你这间屋子从来就是亮的

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只是你一直闭着眼睛

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说到这里

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你可能会有一个问题

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既然觉性本来就是圆满的

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既然众生本来就是佛

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那两千五百年来那么多人修行

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那么多法门

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那么多宗派

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到底在折腾什么

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这个问题圆觉经的回答特别精妙

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它说

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无修亦无成就

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没有一个叫做修的动作

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也没有一个叫做成就的结果

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所谓的修行

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只不过是让你发现

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自己本来就具备这件事的过程

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就像那个找钥匙的比喻

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你在房间里翻了半天

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最后发现钥匙在手里

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你能说你找到了钥匙吗

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00:13:10,936 --> 00:13:12,695
严格来讲你没有找到

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因为它从来没丢过

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但你能说你不需要翻那半天吗

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如果你不翻

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你就不会低头看自己的手

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修行就是那个翻的过程

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翻本身没有把钥匙变出来

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但翻让你停下来

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让你终于注意到手里的东西

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这就是以幻修幻的意思

387
00:13:32,296 --> 00:13:33,256
方法是幻的

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问题也是幻的

389
00:13:34,896 --> 00:13:37,756
但没有方法你看不见问题是幻的

390
00:13:37,896 --> 00:13:39,675
两块木头都要烧掉

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但没有木头你点不着火

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00:13:42,683 --> 00:13:44,702
圆觉经还用了另一个比喻

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犹如空花从空而有

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空中花

395
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你眼睛有问题的时候

396
00:13:50,642 --> 00:13:52,822
会看到天空中飘着一些花

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00:13:53,203 --> 00:13:54,242
那些花存在吗

398
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当然不存在

399
00:13:56,203 --> 00:13:57,421
但你看到了

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你的看到本身是真的

401
00:13:59,642 --> 00:14:01,582
你看到的内容是假的

402
00:14:01,923 --> 00:14:02,962
等你眼睛好了

403
00:14:03,203 --> 00:14:04,342
花消失了

404
00:14:04,602 --> 00:14:06,202
你能说花被消灭了吗

405
00:14:06,762 --> 00:14:07,122
不能

406
00:14:07,642 --> 00:14:10,086
因为它从来就没有真正存在过

407
00:14:10,467 --> 00:14:11,826
众生的种种烦恼

408
00:14:12,268 --> 00:14:13,326
圆觉经说

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就是空花

410
00:14:15,187 --> 00:14:18,206
它们都从圆觉妙心中生起来的

411
00:14:18,547 --> 00:14:21,127
犹如空花从空而有

412
00:14:21,587 --> 00:14:22,747
但空花灭了

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00:14:23,028 --> 00:14:24,407
空还在那里

414
00:14:24,667 --> 00:14:25,507
幻花虽灭

415
00:14:25,827 --> 00:14:26,966
空性不坏

416
00:14:27,348 --> 00:14:28,027
这个空性

417
00:14:28,388 --> 00:14:30,312
就是觉性本身

418
00:14:30,852 --> 00:14:32,211
你可能会想起来

419
00:14:32,212 --> 00:14:35,071
我们在唯识学里建立过的那个类比

420
00:14:35,413 --> 00:14:38,432
阿赖耶识像是一个庞大的参数空间

421
00:14:38,653 --> 00:14:41,152
所有的种子都储存在里面

422
00:14:41,613 --> 00:14:42,371
种子变了

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00:14:42,692 --> 00:14:44,912
投射出来的世界就变了

424
00:14:45,572 --> 00:14:48,552
圆觉经在这个框架上又推了一层

425
00:14:48,893 --> 00:14:49,251
它说

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参数空间本身也是幻化出来的

427
00:14:52,893 --> 00:14:55,751
觉性比阿赖耶识更深一层

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阿赖耶识是机器

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00:14:58,052 --> 00:15:00,871
觉性是让机器能够运转的那个电

430
00:15:01,332 --> 00:15:03,192
电不是机器造出来的

431
00:15:03,452 --> 00:15:04,532
你把机器拆了

432
00:15:04,773 --> 00:15:05,661
电还在

433
00:15:06,161 --> 00:15:08,460
这一期我想特别跟你聊一个

434
00:15:08,482 --> 00:15:10,980
可能一直萦绕在你心里的疑问

435
00:15:11,441 --> 00:15:13,421
如果这些经典说得都对

436
00:15:13,642 --> 00:15:15,980
如果觉性真的本来就在

437
00:15:16,041 --> 00:15:17,440
为什么我感受不到

438
00:15:18,321 --> 00:15:19,860
圆觉经的回答是

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00:15:19,921 --> 00:15:22,021
你时时刻刻都在用它

440
00:15:22,201 --> 00:15:24,021
你现在能听懂这些话

441
00:15:24,041 --> 00:15:25,421
能思考这些问题

442
00:15:25,681 --> 00:15:28,181
能对我说的某一句话产生共鸣

443
00:15:28,402 --> 00:15:30,781
那个能思考 能共鸣的东西

444
00:15:30,961 --> 00:15:32,541
就是觉性在工作

445
00:15:32,882 --> 00:15:34,240
你不是感受不到它

446
00:15:34,522 --> 00:15:36,021
你是太习惯了

447
00:15:36,081 --> 00:15:38,261
习惯到你把它当成了背景

448
00:15:38,561 --> 00:15:40,320
就像你不会刻意注意

449
00:15:40,321 --> 00:15:41,901
自己在呼吸一样

450
00:15:42,201 --> 00:15:43,320
呼吸一直在

451
00:15:43,642 --> 00:15:45,381
但你从来不关注它

452
00:15:45,482 --> 00:15:47,141
直到有人提醒你

453
00:15:47,841 --> 00:15:49,141
觉性也是这样

454
00:15:49,522 --> 00:15:51,141
它不是你的一种体验

455
00:15:51,482 --> 00:15:54,430
它是你能有体验这件事本身

456
00:15:54,852 --> 00:15:56,991
这部经的厉害之处就在于

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它把修行的起点和终点叠在了一起

458
00:16:00,651 --> 00:16:02,210
你以为起点在山脚

459
00:16:02,531 --> 00:16:03,830
终点在山顶

460
00:16:04,131 --> 00:16:04,851
圆觉经说

461
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你一直就站在山顶上

462
00:16:07,452 --> 00:16:09,830
只是你误以为自己在山脚

463
00:16:10,212 --> 00:16:11,710
修行不是爬山

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是睁开眼睛看清楚自己站在哪里

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00:16:15,877 --> 00:16:16,756
知幻即离

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00:16:16,997 --> 00:16:18,057
不作方便

467
00:16:18,237 --> 00:16:19,116
离幻即觉

468
00:16:19,397 --> 00:16:20,536
亦无渐次

469
00:16:20,757 --> 00:16:24,097
这两句话是整部圆觉经的心脏

470
00:16:24,438 --> 00:16:26,977
它没有给你一套复杂的操作流程

471
00:16:27,198 --> 00:16:29,656
它给你的是一个认知翻转

472
00:16:30,038 --> 00:16:31,237
你不需要做什么

473
00:16:31,517 --> 00:16:33,136
你需要看见什么

474
00:16:33,237 --> 00:16:34,357
而看见这件事

475
00:16:34,637 --> 00:16:35,796
不需要准备

476
00:16:35,798 --> 00:16:37,016
不需要资格

477
00:16:37,078 --> 00:16:39,596
不需要等到某个特殊的时机

478
00:16:40,365 --> 00:16:42,477
你觉得一个东西本来就有

479
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和你需要去发现它

480
00:16:44,430 --> 00:16:45,717
这两件事矛盾吗

481
00:16:46,201 --> 00:16:47,710
如果你也想过这个问题

482
00:16:47,893 --> 00:16:49,602
留言告诉我你的想法

483
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我是王利杰

484
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我们下期见