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Past and future do not exist

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One of their own dared to say this

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At the end of the last episode

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I said someone stood up

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Frowning and saying

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The finer you dismantle things

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The further you may be from Buddha

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Past and future

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Are not real at all

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Today

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Let's see

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Who this person actually is

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How he dared to tear down a centuries-old edifice

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Hello

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Everyone

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I am Wang Lijie

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Let's recap the core conflict

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The Sarvastivada spent centuries

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Breaking teachings into 75 elements

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Creating a periodic table of Dharmas

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Then they reached a shocking conclusion

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Existence in the three periods

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The essence of Dharma is eternal

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Meaning

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Dharmas of past, present, and future

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All truly exist

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Past Dharmas haven't vanished

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Future Dharmas are already there

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Just waiting for their turn

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Why insist on this

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Because if the past doesn't exist

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Causality is broken

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The cause you planted yesterday

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If yesterday is completely gone

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Where does today's result come from

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From nothingness

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That wouldn't be dependent origination

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That's something from nothing

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So they say

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Past Dharmas must still exist

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Just in a different form

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The logic sounds tight

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But the problem is

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What is Buddha's core teaching

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Impermanence

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Everything changes

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Nothing is eternal

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Now you tell me

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The essence of Dharma is eternal

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The substance of Dharma is permanent

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Is this even compatible

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with impermanence

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This was the Sarvastivada's greatest rift

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Once a rift appears

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someone will try to mend it

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Four major masters in their history

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each proposed a solution

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to explain the same problem

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Dharmas of past, present, and future

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If the essence is unchanging

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then what exactly changes

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The first was Dharmatrata

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His theory: Change in State

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He said

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as dharmas move through time

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their state changes

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but their essence does not

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Like milk turning into yogurt

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it is still milk

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only the form has changed

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The second was Ghosa

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His theory: Change in Appearance

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He said

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the essence is unchanging

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but its appearance changes

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Like a person

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handsome when young

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wrinkled when old

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the look changes

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but the person remains the same

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The third was Vasumitra

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His theory: Change in Position

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He said

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the essence is unchanging

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the appearance is unchanging

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only its position in time changes

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Like a chess piece

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taken from the box to the board

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then put back again

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the piece is always the same

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only its presence on the board changes

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The fourth was Buddhadeva

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His theory: Change in Relation

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He said

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the essence is unchanging

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what changes is its relation to others

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Like a woman

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a mother to her son

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a wife to her husband

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and a daughter to her father

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She hasn't changed

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What changes is your perspective

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Four explanations

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All sound reasonable

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Sarvastivada chose Vasumitra's view as orthodox

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Why choose it

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Because it's the cleanest

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Dharma is dharma

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No change in category

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No change in appearance

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No change in relationship

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Just a change in position on the timeline

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Simple

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Elegant

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Practical

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But think carefully

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These four solutions

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Do they share a common problem

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Yes

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They all secretly preserve something unchanging

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Dharmatrata: category changes, essence remains

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Ghosaka: appearance changes, essence remains

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Vasumitra: position changes, essence remains

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Buddhadeva: relation changes, essence remains

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No matter how you spin it

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A bottom line must be kept

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The essence of dharma is unchanging

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But what did the Buddha say

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All conditioned things are impermanent

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All phenomena

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Nothing is unchanging

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Now you tell me

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There is this thing called essence

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Existing constantly through the three times

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Never changing

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Isn't this what Buddha spent his life dismantling

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You call it essence

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Brahmanism calls it Brahman

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Calls it Atman

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The eternal self

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The name changed

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The logic didn't

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You used Buddha's tools

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To build a house Buddha wouldn't live in

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This contradiction

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Wasn't found by outsiders

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But from within Sarvastivada itself

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Someone noticed it

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This group

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Was later called the Sautrantika

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In Sanskrit, it is Sautrāntika

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Meaning "relying on the Sutras"

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The Buddha's words are the only standard

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The treatises written by later generations

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Those increasingly complex Abhidharmas

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Sorry

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They don't count

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I believe exactly

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What the Buddha said

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This attitude is a manifesto

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It is equivalent to saying

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Over the past few centuries

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The Abhidharma system you built

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Might have gone astray

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We must return to the source

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The origin of Sautrāntika thought

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Is traced to a master named Kumāralāta

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Translated in Chinese as Tongshou

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He lived around the 2nd to 3rd century

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Regarding his life

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Historical records are very limited

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But his core ideas

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Were like a bomb

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Blowing a hole in the Sarvastivada edifice

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What did he say

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He said

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The past and the future

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Are not real

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Only this present moment

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Truly exists

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The impact of this statement

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You might not fully feel yet

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Let me translate it for you

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Sarvastivada spent centuries

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Building a precise system

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The foundation is "existence in three times"

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Kumāralāta walked over

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Knelt down

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Pointed at the foundation and said

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This part is fake

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You will immediately ask

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If the past no longer exists

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What happens to karma

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How can what I did yesterday

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Still have results today

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If the past cause has vanished

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Where does the present effect come from

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The Sautrāntika answer

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Is a brilliant model

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Called the Theory of Seeds

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They say

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the past Dharma has indeed perished

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But when it perished

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it did not leave nothing behind

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As it was perishing

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it took its own power

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and like a seed

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planted it into the next moment

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This seed passed to the next moment

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and the next

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and the next

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forming an uninterrupted stream of continuity

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This is the core concept of Sautrāntika

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called 'continuity, transformation, and differentiation'

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Continuity

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is the uninterrupted transmission

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Transformation

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is changing at every moment

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Differentiation

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is changing until a certain point

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when conditions ripen

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and the fruit emerges

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Note the fundamental difference from Sarvāstivāda

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Sarvāstivāda says

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the past cause is still there

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It is real and existent

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so the present fruit can find it

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Sautrāntika says

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the past cause has already perished

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but it left a seed when it did

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This seed is like a relay baton

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passed forward moment by moment

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until the moment conditions ripen

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and the fruit naturally appears

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Let me give you an analogy

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The Sarvāstivāda view of causality

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is like a giant warehouse

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Everything that happened in the past

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is neatly arranged on the shelves

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never to be cleared away

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The karmic fruit you receive today

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is someone taking that cause from the shelf for you

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What about the Sautrāntika view?

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It is like dominoes

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The first tile falls

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it knocks down the second

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the second knocks down the third

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The first tile has long been lying still

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but its power

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Passed through every card

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Living within the chain

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Until the last card falls

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Which fits your experience

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Think about it

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You were hurt ten years ago

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That event

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Is long gone

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That scene

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Those people

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Those words

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Are all gone now

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But in your heart

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Does something remain

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Not the event itself

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But the trace it left

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Carried day by day

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Within your character

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Your reaction patterns

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Your unconscious avoidance

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Passed down to today

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Sarvastivada would say

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The event still exists

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Real in the past realm

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So it still affects you

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Sautrantika would say

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The event has perished

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But as it vanished

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It planted a seed in you

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Changing slightly every day

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Influencing every reaction

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Until one day

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A condition triggers it

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Appearing in a new form

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Which feels more real

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If you choose the latter

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Congratulations

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You share the masters' intuition

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If you know Yogacara

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You'll find something curious

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The Sautrantika seed theory

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And the Alaya-vijnana system

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Are like early and late versions

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Yogacara says Alaya

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Is a vast storehouse of seeds

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Storing all experiences

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Waiting for conditions to ripen

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This framework

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Is rooted in Sautrantika

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History of thought is like that

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A man planted a seed 2,000 years ago

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It stayed underground for centuries

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Until the time of Asanga and Vasubandhu

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When it finally broke through the soil

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And grew into a towering tree

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Speaking of Vasubandhu

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I need to clarify something here

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Because it is easy to get confused

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Vasumitra, one of the four masters mentioned earlier

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And Vasubandhu, who wrote the Abhidharmakosa

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Are not the same person

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Vasumitra was a defender of Sarvastivada

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He proposed the theory of temporal change

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Acting as the gatekeeper of that camp

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Vasubandhu lived around the 4th or 5th century

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Centuries after Vasumitra

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What did Vasubandhu do?

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He wrote the masterpiece Abhidharmakosa

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This treatise

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Seemingly organizes all Sarvastivada doctrines

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Like an encyclopedia

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Explaining the 75 Dharmas and real existence

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Making everything crystal clear

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But if you read closely

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You will find

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That while organizing it

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He used Sautrantika views

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To quietly undermine Sarvastivada

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What is this like?

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It is like an architect

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Taking a job

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To draw a complete blueprint of your house

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He draws it with extreme precision

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Every pillar

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And every wall is clearly marked

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But at key points on the blueprint

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He writes in red ink

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"Insufficient load-bearing here"

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The Abhidharmakosa is such a blueprint

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It allows every reader

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To understand the structure of Sarvastivada

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While seeing the building's weakest points

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Later critics said

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The Abhidharmakosa is dynamite for the wise

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Not a shell fired from the outside

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But a crack found in the internal structure

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Followed by a gentle push

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Stepping back

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To look at this entire history

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You will see a recurring pattern

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The Buddha said one thing

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All things are impermanent

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To explain this statement

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Later followers built a vast system

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Called the Abhidharma

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To make the system consistent

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They had to claim

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Dharmas exist eternally

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Then another group stood up and said

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To explain impermanence

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You created something eternal

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Isn't that a contradiction

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This pattern

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Recurs throughout human thought

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Not just in Buddhism

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Any attempt to capture living truth

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Eventually faces the same paradox

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The more precise the system

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The further it is from the living truth

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The more detailed the map

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The easier to mistake it for the land

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The Sautrantika saw this

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They said

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Stop drawing maps

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Go back to what the Buddha said

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The Buddha said impermanence

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And he meant it

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The past is gone when it perishes

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Don't claim it still exists

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Just to suit your system

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But the Sautrantika couldn't escape this

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Their theory of seeds

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Was refined and systematized by others

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Becoming the vast Yogacara system

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A tool used to dismantle systems

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Became a new system itself

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Perhaps this is the fate of cognition

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We cannot face reality empty-handed

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We always need a model

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A language, a map

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But every map

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Eventually becomes a wall

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Then someone must stand up

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To tear the wall down

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To reveal the view behind it

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Then someone else

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Turns that view into a new map

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So today's episode

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Is less about Sautrantika philosophy

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And more about a deeper question

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In your mind

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are there frameworks or theories you trust deeply

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that helped you at one stage

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but have now become a wall

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you haven't even noticed

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No need to answer now

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but just pay attention

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next time you're certain about something

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whether that certainty itself

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is worth examining

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Alright

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Sautrantika used the sutras as authority

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to dismantle Sarvastivada from within

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But Buddhist history didn't change via debate alone

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What truly flipped the board

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wasn't a philosopher

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but an emperor

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One who killed a hundred thousand

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then wept amidst a sea of blood

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His name was Ashoka

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He did one thing

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that turned Buddhism from a local sect

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into a global religion across half of Asia

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That is the story

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we will enter next time

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Do you think

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being questioned from within

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or attacked from without

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is more fatal for a theory

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Have you ever

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overturned a deep belief from within

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What did that feel like

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Tell me in the comments

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I am Wang Lijie

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See you next time
