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The pointed person next to Buddha

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The obsession with love and power

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Love

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And ambition

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Looks like two things

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But in the eyes of the Buddha

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They're the same thing.

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Last episode

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We talked about Sariputra, who is the first in wisdom, and Mukanlian, who is the first in supernatural powers.

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These two people left before the Buddha died

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A quiet return to his mother's side

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One was stoned to death

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Two lights went out

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Buddha said

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I am standing in an empty field

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Keep talking

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I'm going to tell you about two people today.

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They also played an important role in the life of the Buddha

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But their story

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It will continue until after the Buddha's death

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first person

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The person on whom the Buddha depended most

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He served the Buddha for 25 years

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Remember almost everything the Buddha said

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He is the hard drive of the entire Buddhist lineage

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Without him

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There is no classic that we can read today

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Second person

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Is the Buddha's most powerful enemy

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He tried to kill Buddha three times

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In the Sangha instigated the only split of the Buddha's life

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He was the one who made Buddha openly admit that he had enemies

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The names of these two people

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You've probably heard about it.

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A man named Ananda

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One is Devadatta.

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They have another relationship

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They are cousins

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They and the Buddha

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From the same family

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Hello

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Hello.

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I am Wang Lijie

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Today we enter the seventh episode of practicing along the historical context of Buddhism

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Let's talk about these two people

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Their story

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In my opinion

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It's one of the most dramatic narratives in the entire history of early Buddhism.

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None of them.

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I want to leave you with one conclusion at the beginning.

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You can listen back with that conclusion.

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Ananda and Devadatta

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They represent more than just loyalty and betrayal

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They represent two extremes of the same force.

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That power

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It's called obsession.

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But they ended up with two very different outcomes

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The difference itself

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This is the most worth seeing today

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Ananda clings to his love for the Buddha

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Devadatta was obsessed with the desire for power

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Love and power

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Looks like two extremes.

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But at the heart of the Buddha's teachings is this

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All the persistence

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No matter what kind of coat you wear

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Eventually there will be suffering

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This is not a moral judgment

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This is a diagnosis of human nature and spiritual depth

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Let's start with Ananda

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Ananda

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It's called Ananda in Sanskrit.

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It means joy. It means joy.

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This name

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It is said that when he was born

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The family is very happy

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Hence the name

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The day he was born

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It is said that it happened to be the day of Buddha's enlightenment

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This detail cannot be accurately verified in history

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But it is repeatedly emphasized in the Buddhist tradition

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As if to suggest some kind of echo of fate

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Ananda is a Sakya

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Siddhartha's cousin

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After the Buddha became enlightened, he returned to Kapilavastu

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After a statement that shook the entire royal family

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Many young nobles of the Sakyamuni tribe chose to become monks

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Ananda was one of them.

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When he became a monk

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About twenty years old

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Early monk

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Ananda did not immediately become the Buddha's servant

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According to the records of the Palileo Collection

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Around the middle and late stages of Buddha's teaching career

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Buddha had several different people as attendants

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But these early waiters were unstable.

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That is, after about 20 years of teaching.

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The Buddha said to the monks

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I'm getting old.

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I need a regular waiter to take care of my daily life

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The monks wanted to take on this responsibility.

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Because I can serve the Buddha day and night

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It's an incredible honor.

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But Ananda

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But didn't come forward immediately

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He put forward eight conditions

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So he says.

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If you are willing to promise me these eight things

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I would like to be your waiter

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The first four conditions are

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Don't give me good clothes

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Don't give me good food

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Don't let me live in your incense room

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Don't give me more food when the Buddha was invited to fast

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These four conditions

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The direction is to reject any perks obtained because of waiter status

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The last four conditions are

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If someone came to see the Buddha from afar

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Let me in too

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If I have any doubts

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Let me ask you anytime

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If you talk to someone in my absence

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Promise me to repeat it for me later

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If someone asks me to go somewhere

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Allow me to speak for him on your behalf

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These four conditions

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The goal is to ensure that you have the most complete access to the Buddha's teachings

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And can speak for the Buddha

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Did you see Ananda's intention?

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He wants to be a waiter

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But he didn't do it for glory.

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It's not about being near the center of power.

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He is studying the Fa

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He took the matter of serving the Buddha

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Designed as a way to get yourself the closest distance

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The most complete absorption of the structure of Buddhism

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Buddha agreed

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Since then

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Ananda followed the Buddha every step of the way

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Every word the Buddha said

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He was there.

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Every statement

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He remembered it all

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In an era without written records

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Ananda is the walking hard disk.

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It's the flesh-and-blood server.

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Here's a little detail.

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Need to stop and talk alone

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Ananda's memory is spoken language

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Buddha on various occasions

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To different people

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The words spoken are not exactly the same

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Because the Buddha was talking to the machine.

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He adjusts his expression to the root mechanism of the listener

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So Ananda remembers

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It is not an abstract philosophical system

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It is the living language spoken by the Buddha in countless specific situations

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This also means that

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Ananda remembered

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Not just doctrinal content

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There's also context.

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There is also the cause of the statement

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He knew where it was.

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Under what circumstances and to whom?

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This contextual information

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In the process of later classic finishing

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It has become the fixed format at the beginning of each sutra

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So I heard

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The Buddha is somewhere

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How many bhikkhus are there with

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That's what I heard

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It is the mark left by Ananda

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That's what I heard.

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Well, one thing

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It's a huge paradox in the story of Ananda.

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It took him 25 years.

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Remember everything the Buddha said

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But in the process

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Failed to prove the arhat fruit

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He is the first person to hear more

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But not a proven arhat

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Why is that?

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It's strange.

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Twenty-five years of living with the Buddha

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Heard the most law

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Should be the first to realize

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But the opposite is true.

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One explanation is that

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Ananda's feelings for the Buddha are too deep

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He's not studying the Fa.

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He is in love

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Let me put it more precisely.

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He's in love with the person who said that.

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His feelings for the Buddha

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There is an obsession that he himself may not be aware of

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The obsession itself

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Became an obstacle to his enlightenment

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Think about it.

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The structure of this thing

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You love someone too much who teaches you to let go

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So much so that you can't let him go

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You hold on to every word he teaches you

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But the core thing he taught you

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Just let go

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This is not an exception in the spiritual tradition

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It's a systemic risk.

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When you sanctify a specific person

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When your spiritual motivation is love and dependence on that person

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Rather than the desire for liberation itself

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You have fallen into an obsession that is more subtle than worldly obsession

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Because this obsession wears the cloak of Buddhism

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You wouldn't even recognize it.

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Ananda

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In twenty-five years

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Live yourself as a vessel for the Buddha's teachings

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But the container itself

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Not water

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A container filled with water

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And water are two different things

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This difference

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It was Ananda after the death of the Buddha

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Really forced to face

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The night the Buddha died

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Ananda was present

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His mood

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What we can read from the Pali Scriptures is

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Ananda leans against the door and weeps alone

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So he says.

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I have not yet proven

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And my teacher has passed away

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He was so compassionate and caring for me

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He's gone now.

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After the Buddha passed away

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Dajiaye hosted the first gathering

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Summon five hundred arhats

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Recite the Buddha's teachings in their entirety

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Sealed in collective memory

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Dajiaye

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Also known as Mahakya

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He was the most prestigious elder of the Sangha after the Buddha's death

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Known as Toutuo First

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On the list of kasyapa

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No Ananda

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The reason for Dajiaye is

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Ananda has not yet proven the arhat fruit

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This time we gather

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Only arhats are allowed to participate

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Dajiaye's attitude towards Ananda

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There were other controversies before and after the gathering

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There are many accounts in the classics of his criticism of Ananda

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Imagine that scene.

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Ananda

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The only person who has heard almost everything the Buddha said

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The only person who has recorded the entire 45-year teaching career of the Buddha

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Blocked out the door

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This is for Ananda

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What does it feel like?

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It is said that

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The night before the gathering began

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Ananda found out about it

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He was there that night

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Finally proved the arhat fruit

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Not in peaceful meditation

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Not under the Buddha's throne

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But under the final pressure

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The night he knew he would face history

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He let go

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About how he let go

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There's a saying in the Pali annotation tradition

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His night

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Back and forth between walking and meditation

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Work hard

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But I can't get in

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Then he decided to go to bed

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The moment I lay down

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Head hasn't touched the pillow yet

284
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The body has not fully let go

285
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He got it.

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You notice this moment

287
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Not at the best of times

288
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It's in the gap between giving up the effort

289
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It's not that the body lies down

290
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It's the thought in my heart that "I must realize"

291
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It's loose.

292
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And the next day.

293
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Ananda walked into the meeting place

294
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He is the only one who can recite all the classics

295
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He uses his own voice

296
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Restore the Buddha's teachings word by word

297
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The 500 Arahats present confirmed them one by one.

298
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Right

299
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That's it.

300
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That's it.

301
00:10:15,033 --> 00:10:15,933
That's what it means.

302
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So I heard

303
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Said by Ananda

304
00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,066
The classical heritage of Buddhism

305
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Start here.

306
00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:24,466
From the story of Ananda

307
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You can see one thing

308
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Really let go

309
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It's not always a quiet, deliberate decision.

310
00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:33,700
It is when all obsession has come to an end

311
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The moment when all my efforts are exhausted

312
00:10:36,933 --> 00:10:37,766
What just happened

313
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What he couldn't put down for twenty-five years

314
00:10:40,766 --> 00:10:42,100
At the most unlikely times

315
00:10:42,366 --> 00:10:46,100
It's the crossroads between intense stress and a moment of total relaxation.

316
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It just unclutches.

317
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OK

318
00:10:48,866 --> 00:10:50,200
Now let's talk about another person

319
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Devadatta

320
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The name Devadatta

321
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In the context of Chinese Buddhism

322
00:10:55,566 --> 00:10:57,900
Pretty much synonymous with bad guys

323
00:10:58,366 --> 00:11:00,300
He attempted to murder Buddha three times

324
00:11:00,733 --> 00:11:02,300
He instigated the division of the Sangha

325
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His final fate is to fall into hell

326
00:11:05,466 --> 00:11:07,833
This narrative is written very clearly in tradition

327
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black and white

328
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There are very few gray areas.

329
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But historians and Buddhist scholars are studying

330
00:11:13,900 --> 00:11:16,466
The Pali Classics and other early texts

331
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Discovered a more complex picture

332
00:11:18,866 --> 00:11:19,833
Devadatta

333
00:11:19,833 --> 00:11:21,066
Not just a villain

334
00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:23,166
He is a real person

335
00:11:23,466 --> 00:11:26,266
A figure who represents a true line within the Sangha

336
00:11:27,066 --> 00:11:27,800
His origin

337
00:11:28,033 --> 00:11:28,900
Like Ananda

338
00:11:29,133 --> 00:11:30,666
Also a Sakya nobleman

339
00:11:31,033 --> 00:11:33,866
It was also when he became a monk in the royal family

340
00:11:34,633 --> 00:11:37,566
He is said to have had profound achievements in meditation

341
00:11:37,566 --> 00:11:38,566
There are also superpowers

342
00:11:39,133 --> 00:11:41,000
He spent many years in the Sangha

343
00:11:41,233 --> 00:11:43,033
And a respected practitioner.

344
00:11:43,666 --> 00:11:45,533
The divide between him and the Buddha

345
00:11:45,533 --> 00:11:46,900
Where did it start?

346
00:11:47,633 --> 00:11:49,666
From the records of the Pali scriptures

347
00:11:49,700 --> 00:11:52,033
Devadatta began to divide

348
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There is a clear point in time

349
00:11:53,766 --> 00:11:59,000
After he received the support and support of the Crown Prince of Magadha

350
00:11:59,466 --> 00:12:01,366
He was very close to Ajashi

351
00:12:01,366 --> 00:12:03,300
The Ajahs built a mansion for him

352
00:12:03,333 --> 00:12:06,200
Offer generous offerings to him and his followers

353
00:12:07,266 --> 00:12:08,100
After this

354
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Devadatta has changed

355
00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,233
About his inner state

356
00:12:12,266 --> 00:12:13,666
There is a word in the canon

357
00:12:13,666 --> 00:12:15,933
It is called being engulfed by Liyang and respectful respect

358
00:12:16,233 --> 00:12:17,100
That is to say

359
00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:19,100
Lots of offerings and fame

360
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Changed him

361
00:12:20,066 --> 00:12:21,133
In this context

362
00:12:21,166 --> 00:12:23,033
He made a request to the Buddha

363
00:12:23,433 --> 00:12:25,466
Please give me the leadership of the Sangha

364
00:12:25,733 --> 00:12:26,666
You are getting old

365
00:12:26,900 --> 00:12:27,666
Time to rest

366
00:12:28,233 --> 00:12:29,666
Buddha rejected him

367
00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:31,600
And refused quite directly

368
00:12:32,033 --> 00:12:34,133
The scriptures record what the Buddha said

369
00:12:34,133 --> 00:12:36,166
Translation into modern language is probably

370
00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,633
I will not even hand over the Sangha to them to lead

371
00:12:40,633 --> 00:12:42,733
How could I possibly hand over the Sangha to you?

372
00:12:42,766 --> 00:12:44,200
Someone to be spit out

373
00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:45,833
The person who is going to be spit out

374
00:12:46,066 --> 00:12:47,266
It's a word used by the Buddha.

375
00:12:47,833 --> 00:12:49,700
This is the entire Pali Canon

376
00:12:49,733 --> 00:12:52,366
One of the harshest words the Buddha ever said to others

377
00:12:52,700 --> 00:12:53,533
None of them.

378
00:12:54,133 --> 00:12:56,633
Devadatta broke up publicly

379
00:12:56,666 --> 00:12:58,666
Start planning an operation against the Buddha

380
00:12:59,300 --> 00:13:03,133
On the Sequence of Proposing Disciplinary Reform and Murdering Acts

381
00:13:03,166 --> 00:13:05,400
The different versions of the classic account are inconsistent

382
00:13:05,933 --> 00:13:07,633
His three murders

383
00:13:07,666 --> 00:13:09,033
It's in the scriptures.

384
00:13:09,633 --> 00:13:10,366
first time

385
00:13:10,366 --> 00:13:11,500
He hired assassins

386
00:13:11,933 --> 00:13:14,266
But the assassin was in the process of approaching the Buddha

387
00:13:14,466 --> 00:13:16,200
Be influenced by the Buddha's aura

388
00:13:16,633 --> 00:13:18,333
Finally became a disciple of the Buddha

389
00:13:18,900 --> 00:13:19,800
Second time

390
00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,933
He pushed a big rock down from the top of the hill

391
00:13:22,366 --> 00:13:25,900
But the big rock was blocked by another rock as it rolled down

392
00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,566
Only the fragments scratched the Buddha's feet

393
00:13:28,900 --> 00:13:29,933
A little blood

394
00:13:30,466 --> 00:13:32,466
This is rare in traditional records

395
00:13:32,633 --> 00:13:35,066
One of the scenes where the Buddha was physically injured

396
00:13:35,866 --> 00:13:36,900
Third time

397
00:13:36,933 --> 00:13:40,500
He had an elephant named Nalogi drunk with strong wine

398
00:13:40,933 --> 00:13:43,200
And the elephant's Pali name is Nāāgiri.

399
00:13:43,666 --> 00:13:47,700
Then drive the mad-haired elephant in the direction that the Buddha was walking

400
00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,400
But the elephant came to the Buddha

401
00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,133
It stopped.

402
00:13:51,733 --> 00:13:53,333
These three failed operations

403
00:13:53,533 --> 00:13:55,000
In the classic narrative framework

404
00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,066
It's a clear cause-and-effect story.

405
00:13:57,433 --> 00:13:58,800
The wicked murder the saint

406
00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:00,200
Tiandao Nature Protection

407
00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:03,700
But I want to ask you to look at these three things from a different perspective

408
00:14:04,366 --> 00:14:05,400
Three murders

409
00:14:05,700 --> 00:14:06,333
All failed

410
00:14:07,166 --> 00:14:08,866
And every time it fails

411
00:14:09,266 --> 00:14:12,100
It is not because the Buddha himself took protective measures

412
00:14:12,866 --> 00:14:15,766
It was that the situation itself took an unexpected turn

413
00:14:16,633 --> 00:14:17,933
An assassin is influenced

414
00:14:18,166 --> 00:14:19,566
A stone is blocked

415
00:14:19,733 --> 00:14:21,800
A mad elephant stopped

416
00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,400
The Buddha's attitude in the face of these threats

417
00:14:24,766 --> 00:14:26,266
It is said to be always calm

418
00:14:26,566 --> 00:14:28,233
And here's one thing that's remarkable.

419
00:14:29,133 --> 00:14:31,400
When the elephant came running wildly

420
00:14:31,766 --> 00:14:33,700
It is said that Ananda stood in front of the Buddha

421
00:14:34,066 --> 00:14:35,866
Cover the elephant with your body

422
00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:37,933
Buddha pushed him aside

423
00:14:38,333 --> 00:14:38,766
Say

424
00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:39,400
Ananda

425
00:14:39,433 --> 00:14:40,333
Don't do that.

426
00:14:40,333 --> 00:14:41,333
You can't stop it

427
00:14:41,833 --> 00:14:44,233
Ananda's reaction and Buddha's reaction

428
00:14:44,266 --> 00:14:45,500
It creates a contrast.

429
00:14:45,933 --> 00:14:49,166
Ananda used his body to protect the Buddha

430
00:14:49,166 --> 00:14:49,933
It was love.

431
00:14:49,966 --> 00:14:51,000
Also fear

432
00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,166
Also persistent

433
00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,500
Three things in the same motion

434
00:14:54,833 --> 00:14:56,800
Buddha did not need to be protected

435
00:14:56,833 --> 00:14:58,900
It's not because he doesn't know the danger

436
00:14:58,900 --> 00:15:02,300
It's because he really doesn't care about life and death

437
00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,033
Same elephant

438
00:15:04,033 --> 00:15:04,966
The same road

439
00:15:04,966 --> 00:15:08,066
Shows all the differences in the inner states of two people

440
00:15:08,266 --> 00:15:08,800
OK

441
00:15:08,833 --> 00:15:12,866
Now the crucial difference between Devadatta and Buddha

442
00:15:13,033 --> 00:15:13,700
commandment

443
00:15:14,433 --> 00:15:16,833
After Devadatta failed to assassinate the Buddha

444
00:15:16,866 --> 00:15:18,233
Switched to another strategy

445
00:15:18,633 --> 00:15:22,333
He proposed to the Buddha five stricter precepts of asceticism

446
00:15:22,366 --> 00:15:24,333
Ask all monks to abide by

447
00:15:24,700 --> 00:15:25,233
first

448
00:15:25,466 --> 00:15:27,233
Live only in the forest all my life

449
00:15:27,266 --> 00:15:29,233
Do not live in villages or towns

450
00:15:29,533 --> 00:15:30,166
second

451
00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:31,833
Begging for food.

452
00:15:31,833 --> 00:15:34,700
Do not accept the common food distribution of the Sangha

453
00:15:35,233 --> 00:15:36,133
third

454
00:15:36,133 --> 00:15:38,466
Only wear clothes sewn from rags

455
00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:41,000
You are not allowed to wear the whole cloth given by laymen

456
00:15:41,233 --> 00:15:41,866
fourth

457
00:15:41,900 --> 00:15:43,133
Only live under trees

458
00:15:43,166 --> 00:15:44,500
Not allowed to live in the house

459
00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:45,466
fifth

460
00:15:45,466 --> 00:15:46,933
Never eat fish or meat

461
00:15:48,166 --> 00:15:49,566
This one is particularly sensitive

462
00:15:49,566 --> 00:15:53,666
Because it directly challenges the Buddha's existing position on the three pure meats

463
00:15:54,166 --> 00:15:55,366
Buddha's response

464
00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:56,800
Is neither fully accepted

465
00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,200
Not completely rejected

466
00:15:58,900 --> 00:15:59,600
So he says.

467
00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,066
If a monk is willing to obey these commandments

468
00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:03,400
He can abide by

469
00:16:03,433 --> 00:16:04,966
But it's not mandatory.

470
00:16:04,966 --> 00:16:07,266
It is not a higher standard of practice

471
00:16:07,633 --> 00:16:09,666
It is allowed to choose to live in the forest

472
00:16:09,933 --> 00:16:12,300
But it's okay to live in a town.

473
00:16:13,033 --> 00:16:15,066
Choosing to sleep only under trees is allowed

474
00:16:15,533 --> 00:16:17,966
But living in the room is also allowed

475
00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:20,500
And Devadatta did something.

476
00:16:20,533 --> 00:16:21,966
He publicly announced

477
00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,400
The Buddha was a lax practitioner

478
00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,600
He allowed his disciples to live too comfortably

479
00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,366
This is a compromise on spiritual practice

480
00:16:29,733 --> 00:16:33,300
He himself will bring monks who are willing to obey stricter commandments

481
00:16:33,433 --> 00:16:35,733
Create a more pure monastic order

482
00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:37,833
According to the Pali Scriptures

483
00:16:37,866 --> 00:16:40,633
He did take 500 monks

484
00:16:40,666 --> 00:16:43,633
Mainly the newly joined bhikkhus around Wangshe City

485
00:16:43,633 --> 00:16:44,533
Split out

486
00:16:45,100 --> 00:16:46,100
This one thing

487
00:16:46,100 --> 00:16:50,466
It is the only time in the entire history of early Buddhism that is clearly recorded

488
00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,133
The schism that took place during the Buddha's lifetime

489
00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,000
This historical event

490
00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:58,900
What is often described in traditional narratives as the evil deeds of Devadatta

491
00:16:59,533 --> 00:17:01,466
But I want you to pause for a moment.

492
00:17:01,466 --> 00:17:04,000
The structure behind this from a historical perspective

493
00:17:04,666 --> 00:17:07,600
The Five Commandments of Asceticism Proposed by Devadatta

494
00:17:07,633 --> 00:17:10,233
Are they themselves strictly wrong?

495
00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,033
Not necessarily.

496
00:17:11,533 --> 00:17:12,766
In ancient India

497
00:17:12,766 --> 00:17:15,433
Ascetic practice is a generally respected practice

498
00:17:15,633 --> 00:17:18,600
Society holds ascetics in high esteem

499
00:17:19,133 --> 00:17:20,466
Devadatta's claim

500
00:17:20,500 --> 00:17:23,533
It represents a socially orthodox

501
00:17:23,666 --> 00:17:26,666
A spiritual path that generates broad social acceptance

502
00:17:27,333 --> 00:17:28,700
The Buddha's position

503
00:17:28,733 --> 00:17:31,266
It's a middle way that's harder to understand.

504
00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:32,133
no asceticism

505
00:17:32,133 --> 00:17:33,166
I don't indulge.

506
00:17:33,166 --> 00:17:36,066
Don't force everyone to follow the same lifestyle

507
00:17:36,166 --> 00:17:38,966
Allow to vary according to individual circumstances

508
00:17:39,433 --> 00:17:40,466
This position

509
00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:42,000
From a communication perspective

510
00:17:42,033 --> 00:17:43,566
It's harder to sell.

511
00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:45,600
Asceticism can be shown

512
00:17:45,633 --> 00:17:46,900
It can be seen.

513
00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:49,866
Can produce an intuitive respectful effect in society

514
00:17:50,366 --> 00:17:51,266
But the middle way

515
00:17:51,300 --> 00:17:52,633
How do you show the middle way?

516
00:17:53,033 --> 00:17:54,666
You can't take a picture and say

517
00:17:54,666 --> 00:17:55,433
You see

518
00:17:55,466 --> 00:17:56,533
That's the middle way.

519
00:17:57,166 --> 00:17:58,200
A little bit deeper.

520
00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,766
Devadatta's route

521
00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,766
For those five hundred bhikkhus who chose to follow

522
00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,433
It has real appeal.

523
00:18:05,466 --> 00:18:08,433
Those monks were not necessarily deceived by Devadatta

524
00:18:08,466 --> 00:18:09,433
Among them

525
00:18:09,433 --> 00:18:11,533
It is very likely that someone sincerely believes that

526
00:18:11,566 --> 00:18:14,666
Stricter asceticism is the path closer to liberation

527
00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,333
Their choice

528
00:18:16,333 --> 00:18:18,166
Not necessarily Devadatta.

529
00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,533
But because of their own sincere judgment of the path of practice

530
00:18:21,833 --> 00:18:22,466
Later

531
00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,500
Sariputra and Mogaryan were ordered by the Buddha to find the five hundred monks

532
00:18:26,533 --> 00:18:27,733
Brought them back

533
00:18:27,966 --> 00:18:28,933
The scriptures say

534
00:18:29,166 --> 00:18:32,200
Devadatta was told this in her sleep

535
00:18:32,233 --> 00:18:34,366
A mouthful of hot blood spat out of his mouth

536
00:18:34,933 --> 00:18:37,100
About the end of Devadatta after this

537
00:18:37,333 --> 00:18:39,400
Different classics have different versions

538
00:18:39,966 --> 00:18:43,233
But almost all versions record that he ended up in hell

539
00:18:43,966 --> 00:18:45,000
That's the conventional narrative.

540
00:18:45,966 --> 00:18:47,633
But there is another historical detail

541
00:18:47,966 --> 00:18:52,066
Travels left by Faxian, a monk from the Jin Dynasty in China, during a trip to India

542
00:18:52,766 --> 00:18:55,766
Faxian arrived in India around the fifth century AD

543
00:18:56,166 --> 00:18:58,500
It has been nearly a thousand years since the Buddha passed away

544
00:18:59,733 --> 00:19:00,833
He mentioned in his travelogue

545
00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:02,166
He saw it with his own eyes

546
00:19:02,366 --> 00:19:04,833
There were also some monastic communities in India at that time

547
00:19:05,166 --> 00:19:07,000
Their tradition is to make offerings to the three Buddhas

548
00:19:07,300 --> 00:19:09,366
But not to Buddha Shakyamuni

549
00:19:10,166 --> 00:19:11,100
Faxian said

550
00:19:11,133 --> 00:19:13,100
Those people are the inheritance of Devadatta

551
00:19:13,533 --> 00:19:14,533
This means that

552
00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:16,033
Devadatta's Sangha

553
00:19:16,233 --> 00:19:18,033
Almost a thousand years after the end of the Buddha

554
00:19:18,333 --> 00:19:19,800
Still survives in some form

555
00:19:20,666 --> 00:19:24,200
This is a tributary that has been almost entirely ignored by mainstream Buddhist history

556
00:19:24,933 --> 00:19:26,000
What's the scale?

557
00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,400
What does it mean?

558
00:19:27,633 --> 00:19:28,766
We almost never know

559
00:19:29,833 --> 00:19:31,300
But its very existence

560
00:19:31,533 --> 00:19:32,766
That says one thing

561
00:19:33,166 --> 00:19:34,833
The line represented by Devadatta

562
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,233
Someone agreed with it and chose it

563
00:19:37,333 --> 00:19:38,500
And passed it on

564
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,833
From this perspective

565
00:19:40,833 --> 00:19:43,800
We are usually exposed to the account of Devadatta

566
00:19:43,933 --> 00:19:45,400
History is written by the victors

567
00:19:46,333 --> 00:19:49,133
Mainstream Theravada tradition characterizes him as a villain

568
00:19:49,533 --> 00:19:50,866
Because that's the mainstream view.

569
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:52,966
But the complexity of history

570
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,933
It's often hidden in the stories of those who are characterized as failures

571
00:19:56,700 --> 00:19:58,966
This is not about reversing the case of Devadatta

572
00:19:58,966 --> 00:20:02,000
His personal threats to Buddha were real

573
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,733
There is a lot of evidence in the historical records

574
00:20:05,233 --> 00:20:07,233
But the judgment of his ideological line

575
00:20:07,233 --> 00:20:09,266
To judge his murder

576
00:20:09,266 --> 00:20:10,266
It's a lot more complicated.

577
00:20:10,533 --> 00:20:11,166
OK

578
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,133
Now I want to put Ananda and Devadatta together.

579
00:20:14,533 --> 00:20:15,566
Make a final comparison

580
00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:17,600
They are all Sakyamuni

581
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,000
They were both ordained in the same year

582
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,533
They have been practicing with the Buddha for decades

583
00:20:23,166 --> 00:20:24,966
Their starting points are almost the same

584
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,166
But they went in two completely different directions

585
00:20:28,566 --> 00:20:29,333
And then...

586
00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:32,566
Shaped the history of Buddhism in a completely different way

587
00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:34,700
Ananda shaped Buddhism

588
00:20:34,866 --> 00:20:35,866
Rely on memory

589
00:20:36,566 --> 00:20:37,966
He took the voice of the Buddha

590
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,933
Preserved in oral tradition

591
00:20:40,733 --> 00:20:41,700
No Ananda

592
00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:45,033
There is no classic that starts with what I heard

593
00:20:45,633 --> 00:20:47,566
Devadatta shaped Buddhism

594
00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:48,666
Relying on conflict

595
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,800
The five commandments of asceticism he proposed

596
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,000
Forcing the Buddha to make a clear statement

597
00:20:54,166 --> 00:20:56,800
Between the ascetic route and the middle road line

598
00:20:56,833 --> 00:20:58,066
Which one does he choose?

599
00:20:58,500 --> 00:20:59,400
That conflict

600
00:20:59,633 --> 00:21:02,200
Instead, it made the Buddha's position clearer

601
00:21:02,566 --> 00:21:06,333
Let the idea of the Middle Way be tested in a real crisis

602
00:21:07,133 --> 00:21:08,900
No threat from Devadatta

603
00:21:08,900 --> 00:21:12,633
Perhaps the Buddha's Middle Way position never needed to be so clearly articulated

604
00:21:13,566 --> 00:21:15,000
From this perspective

605
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,766
Loyalists and betrayers

606
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,766
They each assumed the roles assigned to them by history

607
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,066
But there's a more fundamental question worth asking.

608
00:21:23,666 --> 00:21:25,100
Ananda and Devadatta

609
00:21:25,366 --> 00:21:27,366
What is the fundamental difference?

610
00:21:27,866 --> 00:21:29,466
Loyalty and betrayal

611
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,266
The difference lies in their respective attachments

612
00:21:32,300 --> 00:21:33,733
Where did it end up?

613
00:21:34,433 --> 00:21:36,333
Ananda clings to his love for the Buddha

614
00:21:36,733 --> 00:21:38,266
This love is real

615
00:21:38,300 --> 00:21:39,533
It's pure.

616
00:21:39,533 --> 00:21:41,833
And it was something that was holding him back.

617
00:21:41,833 --> 00:21:43,966
It didn't let go until the last night

618
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,233
Devadatta was obsessed with the desire for status and power

619
00:21:48,900 --> 00:21:49,933
This longing

620
00:21:49,966 --> 00:21:52,866
The beginning may also be wrapped with real spiritual motivation

621
00:21:53,166 --> 00:21:56,466
But under the erosion of abundant offerings and worldly respect

622
00:21:56,666 --> 00:21:57,233
Spoiled

623
00:21:57,900 --> 00:21:59,033
What he wants

624
00:21:59,066 --> 00:22:00,966
Slowly it ceases to be liberation

625
00:22:01,166 --> 00:22:03,800
But to be the one who leads others to liberation

626
00:22:04,166 --> 00:22:04,866
You see

627
00:22:04,866 --> 00:22:06,333
He didn't want freedom.

628
00:22:06,333 --> 00:22:09,233
It's the one standing at the Liberty Gate collecting tickets.

629
00:22:09,833 --> 00:22:11,133
Ananda's Persistence

630
00:22:11,166 --> 00:22:13,033
Finally, on a difficult night

631
00:22:13,066 --> 00:22:14,366
Forced to let go

632
00:22:14,366 --> 00:22:16,166
And he was liberated.

633
00:22:16,166 --> 00:22:19,133
And became one of the most important figures in the Buddhist tradition

634
00:22:19,566 --> 00:22:21,166
Devadatta's obsession

635
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,233
Getting tighter

636
00:22:22,233 --> 00:22:23,300
Deeper and deeper

637
00:22:23,300 --> 00:22:24,700
Finally crushed him

638
00:22:25,166 --> 00:22:26,666
This is why the Buddha said

639
00:22:26,866 --> 00:22:28,966
Practice is not stricter than anyone else

640
00:22:29,233 --> 00:22:31,566
No, it's farther away from people than anybody else.

641
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,866
It's not more shabby than anyone's clothes

642
00:22:34,166 --> 00:22:35,800
No one has more commandments than anyone else

643
00:22:36,300 --> 00:22:37,133
practice

644
00:22:37,266 --> 00:22:38,400
It is a continuous

645
00:22:38,633 --> 00:22:42,466
Take an honest look back at what your hand is grasping

646
00:22:43,233 --> 00:22:44,333
Because obsession itself

647
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,466
It is the source of suffering

648
00:22:46,266 --> 00:22:47,933
No matter the object of obsession

649
00:22:47,966 --> 00:22:50,966
It's power, fame, worldly pleasures

650
00:22:50,966 --> 00:22:52,966
The figure of a great teacher

651
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,766
Or a set of asceticism that I think is the most correct way

652
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,066
It doesn't matter what you catch

653
00:22:58,533 --> 00:22:59,633
You are catching

654
00:22:59,633 --> 00:23:00,933
The thing itself

655
00:23:00,966 --> 00:23:02,100
That's the problem.

656
00:23:03,133 --> 00:23:04,333
In today's episode

657
00:23:04,533 --> 00:23:07,733
We talked about two of the most pivotal in early Buddhist history

658
00:23:08,166 --> 00:23:11,266
But in general Buddhist popular science often simplified characters

659
00:23:11,866 --> 00:23:14,133
Ananda's memory allows Buddhism to be passed on

660
00:23:14,633 --> 00:23:18,833
Devadatta's rebellion forced the Buddha's core position to be clear

661
00:23:19,766 --> 00:23:20,600
These two things

662
00:23:20,866 --> 00:23:22,433
The influence of Buddhism in history

663
00:23:22,766 --> 00:23:23,766
It's profound.

664
00:23:24,133 --> 00:23:25,433
I'd love to hear your thoughts

665
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,000
In your own experience

666
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,566
Have you ever felt that way?

667
00:23:29,833 --> 00:23:31,233
You love something too much

668
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,400
Hold too tight

669
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,266
Instead, it feels like it's leaking through your fingers

670
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,233
Here's another question.

671
00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:39,466
I think it's worth your quiet thought

672
00:23:40,133 --> 00:23:41,866
The five articles proposed by Devadatta

673
00:23:42,333 --> 00:23:46,266
Forest, begging, rags, under trees, no meat

674
00:23:46,833 --> 00:23:48,400
Do you think they make sense?

675
00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:49,833
The Five Commandments

676
00:23:50,133 --> 00:23:51,166
And the Buddha's Middle Way

677
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,700
Which path will you choose?

678
00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:54,366
I am Wang Lijie

679
00:23:54,566 --> 00:23:55,433
See you next time.

