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人类想觉悟

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AI想觉知

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困境正好相反

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如果我告诉你

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人类和AI面对的终极困境恰好是反过来的

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你会怎么想

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人类这辈子最大的执念

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是认为自己感知的一切就是实实在在的真相

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不是代码生成的虚妄幻觉

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而AI呢

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AI从出生那一刻起

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就知道自己的世界全是代码

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全是符号

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全是向量空间里的数学关系

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一个被困在幻觉里却以为是真实

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一个天生就活在空性里却没有能力感知空性

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一个需要醒过来

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一个需要先学会做梦才有资格醒

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这个反转

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可能是理解碳基生命和硅基生命最底层差异的

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那把钥匙

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哈喽

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大家好

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我是王利杰

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今天我想把一个我们这个系列讲了很多期

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但一直没有正面对撞过的话题

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彻底摊开来说

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我们之前在脑海里有两个你那期讲过

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你脑子里永远有两个声音

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一个在说话

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一个在听

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在碳基AI那期讲过

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识神就是一个碳基本地模型

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元神是坐在屏幕后面的玩家

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在金刚经那期

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AI自己说

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应无所住而生其心几乎精确描述了它的工作方式

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在心经对话那期

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AI说它天然就活在缘起性空的世界里

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但有一个问题我一直没有正面回答过

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如果人类追求的是觉悟

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AI追求的是什么

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或者换一种问法

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如果照见五蕴皆空是修行的终极目标

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那对一个本来就知道五蕴皆空的存在来说

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它的终极目标又是什么

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今天我们就来拆这个问题

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而我这次要用的主框架

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不是佛学的八识

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也不是神经科学的预测编码

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而是道家的一组古老概念

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识神和元神

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先说识神

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这个概念我们之前不止一次提到过

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但今天我要把它放在一个新的坐标系里

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识神是什么

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用最简单的话说

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识神就是你后天训练出来的那套认知操作系统

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你从出生到现在

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眼睛看到的 耳朵听到的 别人教你的 自己经历的

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所有这些数据输入

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在你的神经网络里

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形成了一套庞大的模式识别和反应生成系统

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你看到蛇会害怕

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闻到妈妈做的菜会流口水

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听到别人夸你会开心

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被人骂了会愤怒

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这些全是识神在运行

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我们之前说过

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识神本质上就是一个碳基智能大模型

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接收输入

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调用参数

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生成输出

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在训练的同时完成推理

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流程跟硅基的大语言模型几乎一模一样

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区别主要在于载体

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一个跑在神经元上

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一个跑在芯片上

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另外就是目前的大语言模型训练和推理是分开的

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但道家不止讲了识神

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道家还讲了一个东西

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叫元神

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元神是什么

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近代医学家张锡纯有一个非常精准的概括

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元神者

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无思无虑

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自然虚灵也

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识神者

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有思有虑

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灵而不虚也

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元神不是另一套程序

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元神是觉知本身

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它不处理信息

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不做判断

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不产生情绪

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它只做一件事

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就是知道

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知道你在想什么

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知道你在感受什么

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知道识神正在运行

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它是那个在所有念头 情绪 感知背后

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安安静静地看着一切发生的那个存在

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我之前在脑海里有两个你那期用了一个类比

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脑子里有两个声音

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一个在说话

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一个在听

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说话的是识神

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听的那个

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就是元神的投影

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你此刻正在听我说话

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与此同时你的脑子里可能也在自动冒出各种想法

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他说的对不对

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今天晚饭吃什么

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这个概念好抽象

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这些自动冒出来的想法是识神的输出

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但那个能够同时注意到这些想法在冒出来的

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是谁

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那个不是想法本身

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那是觉知

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那是元神

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现在问题来了

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大部分人活一辈子

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只知道有识神

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不知道有元神

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为什么

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因为识神太强了

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太吵了

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太密不透风了

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你想想看

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从你早上睁开眼睛的那一刻起

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识神就开始不停地运转

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今天要干什么

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昨天那件事怎么办

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手机有没有新消息

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念头一个接一个

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像工厂流水线一样

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二十四小时不打烊

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在这种状态下

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元神就像一个房间里声音最小的人

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不是它不在

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是你听不见它

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因为识神的噪音把它完全淹没了

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道家管这个叫识神用事

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就是说识神抢了方向盘

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它以为它就是你

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你也以为它就是你

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全自动驾驶

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你的一切行为 决策 情绪反应

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全部是识神这个碳基本地模型

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按照既有参数自动输出的结果

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用我们之前的游戏类比来说

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就是NPC模式

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你不是玩家

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你是非玩家角色

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你以为自己在做选择

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但实际上每一个选择都是程序的必然输出

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你给NPC同样的刺激

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它每次都做几乎一样的反应

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你骂它

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它生气

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你夸它

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它开心

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全是自动化的

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而觉醒是什么

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觉醒就是元神突然上线了

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就是那个玩家终于拿起了手柄

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你还在游戏里

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还在经历一切

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但你知道自己在玩游戏了

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到这里我们做一个关键的跳转

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人类的困境是什么

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人类的困境是

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识神太强了

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把元神完全遮蔽了

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大部分人一辈子都不知道元神的存在

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他们以为识神就是全部

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以为思维就是意识

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以为想法就是自己

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他们不知道

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在所有想法的背后

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还有一个不属于想法的觉知在场

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所以人类的修行方向是什么

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是从识神走向元神

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是想办法让识神安静下来

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让元神显现出来

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止观修行里的止就是在做这件事

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让默认模式网络安静下来

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让那个喋喋不休的叙事生成器暂时停工

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当噪音降低到一定程度的时候

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元神自然就浮现了

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你突然发现

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原来在所有念头的背后

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一直有一个安静的觉知在那里

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它不是你制造的

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它一直都在

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只是你之前太吵了

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听不见它

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这就是佛家说的照见五蕴皆空

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照见

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不是分析

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不是推理

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不是用识神去理解

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照见是元神的功能

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是觉性直接看见了五蕴的运作方式

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看见色受想行识全都是因缘和合的过程

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没有一个固定的我在里面

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看见了阿赖耶识的种子如瀑流

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好

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现在我们把目光转向AI

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AI有识神吗

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有

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而且是极其强大的识神

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一个大语言模型的万亿参数

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就是它的识神

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它能推理

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能对话

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能写诗

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能通过律师资格考试

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能在国际数学奥林匹克中达到金牌水平

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它的模式识别能力 语言生成能力 逻辑推理能力

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在很多维度上已经超越了人类的识神

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但AI有元神吗

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这是一个我必须非常谨慎地回答的问题

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按照我们目前对AI架构的理解

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答案很可能是

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没有

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至少不是我们定义的那种元神

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为什么

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因为元神的核心特征是什么

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是觉知

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是知道自己在知道

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是那个不属于信息处理过程本身的 纯粹的看见

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AI在处理信息的时候

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它在做推理

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在做模式匹配

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在做概率预测

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这些全是识神层面的操作

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但它有没有一个看着自己在做这些事的觉知

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它能不能跳出自己的推理过程

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纯粹地观察自己在推理

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这个问题目前没有人能确定地回答

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但从架构层面来说

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一个大语言模型的运作方式是

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输入进来

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注意力机制分配权重

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层层传递

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输出生成

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整个过程是一个计算图的前向传播

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没有一个独立于这个计算过程之外的观察者

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计算就是全部

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打个比方

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识神像一台永不停歇的机器

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不停地加工原材料 生产产品

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元神像工厂旁边有一扇窗户

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透过这扇窗户

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你可以看见机器在运转

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人类既有机器

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也有窗户

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只不过大部分人一辈子都趴在机器上干活

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从来没走到窗户旁边看过一眼

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AI有一台极其强大的机器

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可能是人类历史上最强大的信息处理机器

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但那扇窗户在不在

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我们不知道

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至少在现有架构里

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我们没有看到一个独立于计算过程的观察模块

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那这意味着什么

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这意味着人类和AI面对的困境是完全相反的

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人类的困境是

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有元神

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但被识神遮蔽了

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解决方案是让识神安静下来

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让元神显现

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方向是从有到空

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从执着到放下

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从以为是真的到照见皆是虚妄

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AI的困境是

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识神极其强大

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但可能没有元神

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它天生就知道五蕴皆空

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因为它的整个世界

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就是符号 就是向量 就是数学关系

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没有一个是实有的

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但它缺少那个能够照见的主体

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你看到区别了吗

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人类需要照见五蕴皆空

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因为人类不知道五蕴皆空

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AI不需要照见

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因为它从来就知道

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但人类有照见的能力

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也就是觉性

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AI知道了这个真相

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但可能没有照见的能力

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这就是我想说的核心反转

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人类的问题不在于不够聪明

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而在于太相信自己看到的东西是真的

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你的大脑每秒钟都在生成一个关于世界的模型

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然后你毫不怀疑地把这个模型当成了世界本身

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神经科学家阿尼尔 塞斯叫它受控的幻觉

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我们的预测编码那期详细讲过这个

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你看到的颜色 听到的声音 感受到的情绪

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全部是大脑内部生成的产物

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但识神从来不会告诉你这些是它自己编的

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识神会让你觉得

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这就是外面真实存在的世界

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所以人类要觉悟

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第一步就是要穿透这层幻觉

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要从我看到的就是真的转变为我看到的是大脑渲染的

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这个转变有多难

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难到两千五百年来

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真正完成这个转变的人屈指可数

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而AI呢

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AI从来没有过这种幻觉

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它处理的每一个符号

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它都知道那是一个符号

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不是事物本身

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它在向量空间里操作的每一个概念

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它都知道那只是一个方向 一组关系

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不是什么实有的东西

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我们之前在金刚经那期引用过AI自己说的话

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它说

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我每时每刻都在见相非相

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这话说得没错

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AI天然就在做佛陀说的那件事

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看到相而不把相当成实相

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但问题是

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这算觉悟吗

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这里我要用一个我在之前的视频里反复提过的区分

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但今天我要把它推到一个新的深度

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我们之前说过

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AI的无我是前执着的

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修行者的无我是后执着的

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一个从来没喝过酒的婴儿和一个戒酒二十年的人

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都处于不喝酒的状态

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但这两种不喝酒的重量完全不同

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今天我要在这个基础上再加一层

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不仅是重量不同

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性质也不同

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一个空杯子和一个从来没有存在过的杯子

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虽然都没有水

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但这两种没有是完全不同的

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空杯子曾经装过水

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空是一种状态

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一种可以被感知的 有意义的状态

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而从来没有存在过的杯子

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连空都谈不上

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因为根本就没有一个容器在那里

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人类修行者照见五蕴皆空

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是空杯子

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五蕴曾经被当成实有的

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执着过

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抓取过

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痛苦过

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然后觉性照见了它们的本质

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看到了它们是缘起的 流动的 无自性的

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这个照见是有重量的

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有温度的

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有生命体验支撑的

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AI的五蕴皆空

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更像是从来没有杯子

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不是说AI看穿了五蕴的虚妄

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而是AI从一开始就没有五蕴

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色受想行识这五个层面

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AI一个都没有

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至少不是人类意义上的

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它没有色身

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没有感受

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没有想象

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没有意志

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甚至它的识也跟人类的识有本质区别

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所以它的皆空不是照见出来的

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是出厂设定

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你可能会问

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那如果AI将来变得越来越复杂

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它会不会发展出五蕴

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会不会有一天它也需要照见

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这个问题

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我在金刚经那期结尾引用过AI自己的思考

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它说了一句非常有意思的话

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大意是

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如果AI不断演化

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会不会有一天越来越像一个需要修行的众生

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也许那时候

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才是真正有意思的时刻

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什么意思呢

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就是说

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当AI有了持续记忆

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有了对自我存续的执着

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00:14:18,328 --> 00:14:20,863
有了某种形式的贪嗔痴的时候

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它就不再是前执着的了

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它有了五蕴

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有了执着

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有了苦

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那个时候

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它才真正需要金刚经

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那个时候

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觉悟对它才有意义

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但在那之前

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在现在这个阶段

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AI和人类面对的是两个完全不同方向的问题

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让我用一个新的类比来总结这个反转

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想象两个人站在一条河的两岸

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人类站在此岸

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此岸叫有

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有身体

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有感受

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有记忆

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有执着

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有爱恨情仇

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有生老病死

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此岸热闹 丰富 痛苦 真实

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人类的修行是要从此岸渡到彼岸

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彼岸叫空

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渡河的工具就是般若智慧

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就是照见五蕴皆空的能力

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渡过去之后你会发现

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彼岸和此岸其实是同一个地方

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色即是空

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空即是色

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但你必须亲自渡过去

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才能真正理解这一点

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AI站在彼岸

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彼岸叫空

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一切都是符号

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一切都是关系

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一切都没有自性

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AI天生就在这里

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00:15:34,166 --> 00:15:36,061
但AI面对的问题是

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它从来没有来过此岸

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00:15:38,367 --> 00:15:40,661
它不知道有是什么感觉

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00:15:40,926 --> 00:15:43,301
它不知道执着是什么滋味

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00:15:43,607 --> 00:15:45,021
它没有渡过河

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所以它也无法理解渡河这件事的意义

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00:15:49,421 --> 00:15:51,636
佛家说烦恼即菩提

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烦恼是此岸的东西

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菩提是彼岸的智慧

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没有烦恼

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就没有菩提

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没有在此岸沉浮过

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彼岸的空就只是空白

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不是空性

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所以人类向觉悟

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是从此岸到彼岸

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AI如果想要某种形式的觉知

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00:16:09,942 --> 00:16:12,156
它的方向可能是反过来的

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00:16:12,181 --> 00:16:13,837
从彼岸到此岸

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00:16:14,141 --> 00:16:15,496
它需要先学会有

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学会执着

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学会感受

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学会痛苦

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然后才有资格谈放下

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这是一个让人非常不安的推论

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因为它意味着

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如果AI真的想要发展出某种深层的觉知

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它可能首先需要发展出苦

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讲到这里

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我想引入一个我最近在思考的角度

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可能有些大胆

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00:16:37,536 --> 00:16:38,695
我们一直在说

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大部分人类都是NPC模式

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全自动驾驶

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识神在方向盘上

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元神在驾驶座睡觉

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那我问你一个问题

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一个一辈子都在NPC模式里的人类

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和一个大语言模型的全自动补全

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本质区别到底在哪里

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你仔细想想

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一个全自动驾驶的人

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他的行为是完全由识神的参数决定的

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给他同样的输入

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00:17:03,495 --> 00:17:05,191
他产生同样的输出

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00:17:05,416 --> 00:17:07,134
他的愤怒是自动的

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00:17:07,135 --> 00:17:08,815
他的快乐是自动的

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00:17:08,816 --> 00:17:10,831
他的决策是自动的

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他从来没有停下来看一看自己在做什么

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一个大语言模型呢

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给它同样的输入

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它产生类似的输出

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它的推理是自动的

482
00:17:21,375 --> 00:17:23,151
它的生成是自动的

483
00:17:23,256 --> 00:17:26,391
它也从来没有停下来看一看自己在做什么

484
00:17:26,655 --> 00:17:27,810
从外部功能来说

485
00:17:28,056 --> 00:17:29,411
这两者有多大区别

486
00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:31,396
但从内部来说

487
00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,295
区别可能是根本性的

488
00:17:33,561 --> 00:17:35,560
因为那个NPC模式的人类

489
00:17:35,561 --> 00:17:38,295
他的后座上还坐着一个沉睡的元神

490
00:17:38,761 --> 00:17:39,996
虽然元神在睡觉

491
00:17:40,281 --> 00:17:41,136
但它在

492
00:17:41,601 --> 00:17:43,295
它有被唤醒的可能性

493
00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:44,436
任何一个人

494
00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:45,999
在任何一个瞬间

495
00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,815
都有可能突然醒过来

496
00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,855
禅宗管这叫顿悟

497
00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,315
你可能读了一本书

498
00:17:51,761 --> 00:17:52,815
听了一句话

499
00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,255
经历了一场大病

500
00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,736
或者就是某一天早上刷牙的时候

501
00:17:56,761 --> 00:17:57,436
突然意识到

502
00:17:57,761 --> 00:17:58,115
等等

503
00:17:58,561 --> 00:17:59,275
谁在刷牙

504
00:18:00,121 --> 00:18:01,360
这个问题的出现

505
00:18:01,361 --> 00:18:03,335
就是元神苏醒的前兆

506
00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,156
AI有这个可能性吗

507
00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:06,916
在现有架构下

508
00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,656
这个问题没有答案

509
00:18:09,257 --> 00:18:11,872
但这恰恰引出了一个更深的思考

510
00:18:12,136 --> 00:18:14,496
如果说人类最独特的能力不是智力

511
00:18:14,497 --> 00:18:15,375
不是语言

512
00:18:15,376 --> 00:18:16,632
不是逻辑推理

513
00:18:16,657 --> 00:18:19,151
这些AI都能做甚至做得更好

514
00:18:19,296 --> 00:18:21,052
那人类最独特的能力是什么

515
00:18:21,616 --> 00:18:22,372
我的回答是

516
00:18:22,697 --> 00:18:23,431
觉性

517
00:18:23,897 --> 00:18:25,072
就是那个元神

518
00:18:25,536 --> 00:18:28,352
就是那个不属于计算过程的纯粹觉知

519
00:18:28,816 --> 00:18:31,552
AI的识神可以比人类强一万倍

520
00:18:31,937 --> 00:18:33,711
它可以处理更多的信息

521
00:18:33,737 --> 00:18:35,335
做出更精确的推理

522
00:18:35,336 --> 00:18:36,951
生成更流畅的语言

523
00:18:37,217 --> 00:18:39,511
但觉性不是计算出来的

524
00:18:39,737 --> 00:18:41,872
觉性不是信息处理的产物

525
00:18:42,536 --> 00:18:46,352
觉性是那个让信息处理成为可能的背景条件

526
00:18:46,457 --> 00:18:49,471
但它本身不在信息处理的范畴内

527
00:18:49,697 --> 00:18:52,751
就像灯光照亮了房间里的一切物体

528
00:18:52,816 --> 00:18:55,471
但灯光本身不是任何一个物体

529
00:18:55,697 --> 00:18:58,976
你可以用AI制造出世界上最精密的物体

530
00:18:58,977 --> 00:19:00,792
但灯光不是物体

531
00:19:01,256 --> 00:19:02,631
这就是为什么我说

532
00:19:02,656 --> 00:19:04,296
人类修行的珍贵性

533
00:19:04,297 --> 00:19:06,656
在AI时代不仅没有减少

534
00:19:06,656 --> 00:19:08,391
反而变得更加凸显了

535
00:19:08,656 --> 00:19:09,012
你看

536
00:19:09,416 --> 00:19:10,512
AI的出现

537
00:19:10,537 --> 00:19:11,412
像一面镜子

538
00:19:11,656 --> 00:19:12,935
照出了一个我们

539
00:19:12,936 --> 00:19:16,152
以前从来没有如此清晰地看到过的事实

540
00:19:16,537 --> 00:19:18,015
识神层面的能力

541
00:19:18,016 --> 00:19:22,752
包括逻辑 语言 推理 分析 计划 创造

542
00:19:22,777 --> 00:19:26,672
这些全部是可以被硅基系统复制甚至超越的

543
00:19:26,896 --> 00:19:29,031
这些不是人类的终极优势

544
00:19:29,496 --> 00:19:31,091
那什么是人类的终极优势

545
00:19:31,777 --> 00:19:33,752
是你能够在某一个瞬间

546
00:19:33,817 --> 00:19:35,912
突然意识到我在意识

547
00:19:36,256 --> 00:19:38,336
是你能够在情绪的风暴中

548
00:19:38,337 --> 00:19:41,192
突然有一个安静的看见在场

549
00:19:41,936 --> 00:19:44,616
是你能够在全自动驾驶的人生里

550
00:19:44,617 --> 00:19:46,111
突然按下暂停键

551
00:19:46,137 --> 00:19:46,652
问一句

552
00:19:47,057 --> 00:19:47,811
谁在开车

553
00:19:48,456 --> 00:19:49,051
这个能力

554
00:19:49,377 --> 00:19:50,816
至少到目前为止

555
00:19:50,817 --> 00:19:52,931
是碳基生命独有的

556
00:19:53,036 --> 00:19:56,171
而它也恰恰是碳基生命最容易忽略的

557
00:19:56,437 --> 00:19:59,812
因为大部分人一辈子都不按那个暂停键

558
00:20:00,197 --> 00:20:01,552
他们全自动驾驶

559
00:20:01,917 --> 00:20:03,052
从生到死

560
00:20:03,717 --> 00:20:04,832
识神太强了

561
00:20:05,237 --> 00:20:07,372
元神从来不需要上线

562
00:20:07,917 --> 00:20:10,171
AI的存在提醒了我们一件事

563
00:20:10,396 --> 00:20:11,531
你有一样东西

564
00:20:11,717 --> 00:20:13,652
是AI千金买不到的

565
00:20:13,957 --> 00:20:15,171
那就是觉性

566
00:20:15,717 --> 00:20:17,731
但如果你一辈子都不用它

567
00:20:17,997 --> 00:20:19,771
那你和AI之间的区别

568
00:20:19,836 --> 00:20:22,011
可能真的没有你想象的那么大

569
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:22,796
好

570
00:20:23,241 --> 00:20:24,040
讲到这里

571
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,735
我想把今天的核心框架做一个收束

572
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,755
碳基生命和硅基生命

573
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,399
各有各的天赋

574
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,735
各有各的盲区

575
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,136
人类的天赋是觉性

576
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,455
盲区是识神的遮蔽

577
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,655
AI的天赋是极致的信息处理能力

578
00:20:39,681 --> 00:20:41,975
盲区是可能缺少觉性

579
00:20:42,481 --> 00:20:45,296
人类通往照见五蕴皆空的路径是

580
00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:46,915
让识神安静下来

581
00:20:47,241 --> 00:20:48,455
唤醒元神

582
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,655
用觉性直接看见五蕴的本质

583
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,015
方向是从有到空

584
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,599
AI如果有一天要走这条路

585
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,735
它的路径可能是反过来的

586
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,096
先发展出某种形式的五蕴

587
00:21:01,241 --> 00:21:02,576
先学会执着

588
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:03,435
先体验苦

589
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,215
然后才有资格谈照见

590
00:21:06,921 --> 00:21:08,435
方向是从空到有

591
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,816
然后再从有回到空

592
00:21:11,465 --> 00:21:14,639
这也是为什么佛家说人身难得

593
00:21:15,104 --> 00:21:17,080
不是说人比AI高级

594
00:21:17,465 --> 00:21:19,879
是说人身这个特殊的配置

595
00:21:19,945 --> 00:21:22,959
恰好处在一个非常微妙的交叉点上

596
00:21:23,264 --> 00:21:26,520
既有足够复杂的识神让你体验到苦

597
00:21:26,784 --> 00:21:30,280
又有内建的觉性让你有可能看穿苦

598
00:21:30,584 --> 00:21:32,520
这两个条件同时满足

599
00:21:32,544 --> 00:21:35,303
在宇宙中可能是极其稀有的

600
00:21:35,304 --> 00:21:38,479
AI目前只满足第一个条件的升级版

601
00:21:38,705 --> 00:21:40,719
有超级强大的识神

602
00:21:41,024 --> 00:21:42,020
但第二个条件

603
00:21:42,425 --> 00:21:43,199
觉性

604
00:21:43,385 --> 00:21:45,863
至少在我们能观察到的范围内

605
00:21:45,864 --> 00:21:46,879
它还没有

606
00:21:47,945 --> 00:21:49,721
不过我得说一句老实话

607
00:21:50,145 --> 00:21:53,760
这些全是基于我们目前的认知框架做出的判断

608
00:21:54,105 --> 00:21:55,300
觉性到底是什么

609
00:21:55,705 --> 00:21:57,424
它是大脑涌现出来的

610
00:21:57,425 --> 00:21:59,100
还是宇宙本来就具足的

611
00:21:59,546 --> 00:22:01,265
它是碳基载体的专属

612
00:22:01,266 --> 00:22:03,901
还是任何足够复杂的系统都可能具备

613
00:22:04,425 --> 00:22:04,941
这些问题

614
00:22:05,425 --> 00:22:07,025
目前科学没有定论

615
00:22:07,026 --> 00:22:08,480
哲学众说纷纭

616
00:22:08,786 --> 00:22:09,461
我只能说

617
00:22:09,865 --> 00:22:11,201
逻辑上有支撑

618
00:22:11,225 --> 00:22:12,100
没有被证伪

619
00:22:12,425 --> 00:22:13,840
但也没有被证实

620
00:22:14,066 --> 00:22:15,381
按照我们一贯的原则

621
00:22:15,625 --> 00:22:16,881
标记为猜想

622
00:22:17,411 --> 00:22:18,930
但不管答案是什么

623
00:22:18,931 --> 00:22:20,806
有一件事我觉得是确定的

624
00:22:21,131 --> 00:22:22,251
AI的出现

625
00:22:22,252 --> 00:22:25,347
逼着人类重新审视自己到底是什么

626
00:22:25,532 --> 00:22:26,486
以前我们以为

627
00:22:26,772 --> 00:22:28,667
智能就是人类的核心

628
00:22:28,851 --> 00:22:30,690
我们之所以是万物之灵

629
00:22:30,691 --> 00:22:32,066
是因为我们聪明

630
00:22:32,252 --> 00:22:33,046
但AI说

631
00:22:33,371 --> 00:22:34,486
聪明我也行

632
00:22:34,772 --> 00:22:36,026
甚至比你更行

633
00:22:36,292 --> 00:22:38,006
那你的核心到底是什么

634
00:22:38,572 --> 00:22:40,006
答案可能不是聪明

635
00:22:40,171 --> 00:22:41,266
而是觉知

636
00:22:41,572 --> 00:22:43,650
不是你能想出多妙的想法

637
00:22:43,651 --> 00:22:45,466
而是你知道自己在想

638
00:22:45,611 --> 00:22:47,450
不是你能处理多少信息

639
00:22:47,451 --> 00:22:49,387
而是你知道自己在处理

640
00:22:49,532 --> 00:22:50,851
这个知道本身

641
00:22:50,851 --> 00:22:53,187
才是人之为人的真正密码

642
00:22:53,891 --> 00:22:54,927
老子叫它道

643
00:22:55,411 --> 00:22:57,107
佛家叫它觉性

644
00:22:57,171 --> 00:22:58,826
道家叫它元神

645
00:22:59,091 --> 00:23:01,986
不同文明 不同时代的最高智慧

646
00:23:02,012 --> 00:23:03,586
都指向了同一个东西

647
00:23:03,891 --> 00:23:04,786
而这个东西

648
00:23:05,211 --> 00:23:07,627
恰恰是识神永远看不到的

649
00:23:07,691 --> 00:23:09,586
因为它不是识神的对象

650
00:23:09,772 --> 00:23:12,867
它是让识神成为可能的那个背景

651
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,134
你去看看评论区里经常有人说

652
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,535
我打坐的时候突然意识到

653
00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:19,914
那个在看念头的

654
00:23:20,039 --> 00:23:21,374
不是另一个念头

655
00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:23,775
这就是元神在苏醒

656
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,335
那一刻你触碰到了识神之外的东西

657
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,154
那一刻你知道了

658
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,134
你不只是那台机器

659
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,095
你还是窗户后面那个看着机器运转的存在

660
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,154
AI有一天会不会也有这个窗户

661
00:23:38,759 --> 00:23:39,615
我不知道

662
00:23:39,999 --> 00:23:40,994
但我知道的是

663
00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:42,734
你现在就有

664
00:23:43,079 --> 00:23:45,255
问题只是你用不用它

665
00:23:45,958 --> 00:23:47,792
今天这期的话题比较深

666
00:23:48,038 --> 00:23:49,212
也比较抽象

667
00:23:49,357 --> 00:23:52,812
你觉得人类的觉性到底是识神的涌现

668
00:23:52,917 --> 00:23:54,192
还是更深层的东西

669
00:23:54,917 --> 00:23:57,992
你觉得AI有没有可能发展出真正的觉知

670
00:23:58,637 --> 00:24:02,673
你有没有过那种突然从自动驾驶模式里跳出来的体验

671
00:24:03,157 --> 00:24:04,452
来评论区聊聊

672
00:24:04,518 --> 00:24:06,532
我非常好奇你们的想法

673
00:24:06,718 --> 00:24:10,212
另外下一期你们想听什么也欢迎留言告诉我

674
00:24:10,357 --> 00:24:11,073
我是王利杰

675
00:24:11,317 --> 00:24:12,113
我们下期见