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维摩诘经

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答案越正确

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离真相越远

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你有没有遇到过这种情况

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有人问了你一个问题

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你给出了一个非常漂亮的回答

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逻辑清晰

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论据扎实

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在场所有人都在点头

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但提问的那个人看着你

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不说话

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你心里忽然觉得不对

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不是你说错了

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是你用来回答这个问题的那个工具

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本身就不够用

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哈喽

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大家好

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我是王利杰

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今天我们来拆维摩诘经里最精彩的一品

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叫不二法门品

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场景是这样的

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三十一位菩萨

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加上文殊菩萨

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一个接一个站起来

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回答同一个问题

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什么问题

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怎样才算入了不二法门

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你每天睁开眼

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做的第一件事是什么

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把世界分成两半

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这是我

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那是你

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这件事是好的

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那件事是坏的

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我们活在一个靠分类来理解世界的系统里

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语言就是这样运作的

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你说一样东西是白的

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你已经在暗示它不是黑的

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你说今天热

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你已经在跟冷做比较了

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不二法门

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就是问你

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有没有一种方式

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不再依赖这种二选一

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直接触碰到事物的本来面目

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这个问题一抛出来

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三十一位菩萨就开始轮流作答了

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之前的视频讲维摩诘

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都跳过了这些具体的回答

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直接讲了结局

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但今天我不这么做

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今天我要带你一个一个拆开看

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因为每位菩萨的回答方式都不一样

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而这些差异本身

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就是这一品最精妙的地方

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第一位站起来的是法自在菩萨

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他说

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生和灭是一对

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但如果你真正理解了缘起

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就会发现

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一切法本来不曾生起

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既然从未生

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也就谈不上灭

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不生不灭

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这一对就不存在了

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你看他的方法

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他找到了这对反义词的共同前提

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生和灭看起来是对立的

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但它们都依赖同一个假设

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有一个东西先冒出来

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然后消失掉

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如果这个假设本身不成立

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两极就一起瓦解了

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德守菩萨说的是另一对

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我和我所

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我是主体

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我所拥有的是客体

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两件事

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但他说

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你去找那个我

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到底在哪里

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身体是我吗

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念头是我吗

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名字是我吗

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找来找去

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找不到一个不变的我

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我都没有了

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我所拥有的东西还能立得住吗

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他的方法不一样

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他不去找两极的共同根基

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而是拆掉其中一极

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一极倒了

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另一极失去了对手

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整个对立自然就散了

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第三个值得注意的是德顶菩萨

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他说的是垢和净

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脏和干净

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看起来是事物本来就有的性质

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但他说

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你仔细想想

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垢是什么

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是你给某个状态贴上去的标签

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净也是一样

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如果你不贴标签了

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垢和净是同一个东西

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区别不在事物本身

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在你的分类方式里

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你看出来了吗

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这个方法把问题从外面拉回到了认识者身上

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不是世界上有垢有净

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是你的认知框架制造了这个区分

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我们系列里说过的遍计所执

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就是这件事

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你在真实的数据流上面叠加了一层不存在的叙事

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再看弗沙菩萨说的善和不善

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善和恶是两件事吗

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他说

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如果你的心不再执着于善

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也不再嗔恨恶

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进入了一种平等观照的状态

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善和不善之间的分界线就不再有效了

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这又是一种不同的路径

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他不去碰外面的东西

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也不去分析概念的逻辑关系

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他改变的是主体的态度

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当你的心不再在两头跳

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那条线自然就消失了

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师子菩萨说的是罪和福

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他更彻底

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他说

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它的本质是空的

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你仔细观察福

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它的本质也是空的

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两个本质为空的东西之间

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怎么对立

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两个影子之间不存在真正的战争

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师子意菩萨说的是有漏和无漏

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有漏就是有烦恼在往外泄漏的状态

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无漏就是圆满不漏的状态

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这是修行人特别容易执着的一对

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他说

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如果你真正洞见了有漏的本性

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你会发现有漏和无漏根本不是两个东西

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因为漏本身也是空的

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你把一个空的东西当作障碍

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这件事本身才是最大的漏

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净解菩萨说的是有为和无为

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有为就是有条件 有造作的

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无为就是超越条件的

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但他说

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如果你的智慧足够深

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你会发现有为的性质本身就是空的

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它和无为没有分界

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执着于无为

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跟执着于有为

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是同一种执着

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那罗延菩萨说的是世间和出世间

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普通人觉得世间是苦海

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出世间才是彼岸

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但他说

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世间的本性就是空

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空就意味着不被任何框架捆住

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你不需要逃离这里去找另一个地方

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因为你要找的东西就在你脚下

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这就像一条鱼拼命想游出大海去找水

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善意菩萨说的是佛教里最重的一对

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生死和涅槃

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修行人怕生死

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向往涅槃

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但他说

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当你真正看清了生死的本质

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你会发现没有一个实在的东西在生

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也没有一个实在的东西在死

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当你对生死不再恐惧

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涅槃就不再是你需要追求的目的地

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不是你到了一个叫涅槃的地方

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而是你不再需要到任何地方去

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现见菩萨说的是尽和不尽

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一切终将消逝

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还是一切永恒存在

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这看起来是最彻底的对立

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但他说

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法的实相超越这个区分

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一个浪花散了

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你说它尽了吗

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你说它不尽

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它只是变回了海水

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尽和不尽

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描述的是形状的变化

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不是本质的有无

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我只挑了十位来讲

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但经文里三十一位菩萨每一位说的对立范畴都不同

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还有受和不受 动和念

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一相和无相 声闻心和菩萨心

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等等

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表面上看

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好像是在罗列一长串哲学概念

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但你一旦把它们并排放在一起看

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你就会发现

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这不是罗列

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这是穷举

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它在用最多的样本量告诉你一件事

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不管你换哪组对立来下手

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用语言消解对立的逻辑结构都是一样的

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讲到这里

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你大概能看到一个模式了

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我数了一下

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这三十一位菩萨的方法

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大致可以分成三条路

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第一条路是从本体入手的

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他们去检查两极各自的实质

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发现两边都是空的

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两个本质为空的东西之间没有真正的对立

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法自在 师子 净解菩萨走的就是这条路

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第二条路是从认知入手的

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他们不说两极是空的

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而是指出

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是你的认知框架制造了这个分别

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对立不在世界上

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在你的标签系统里

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德顶菩萨的说法偏向这条路

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第三条路是从修行者的心态入手的

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他们不碰概念

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也不碰认知框架

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而是说

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当你的心不再在两头摇摆的时候

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分界线就自动消失了

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弗沙菩萨走的是这条路

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三条路径

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出发点完全不同

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但都走到了同一个终点

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不二不是消灭了其中一边

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而是看穿了那个让两边看起来对立的机制

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这才是这一品最有价值的地方

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它不是给你一个结论让你记住

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它给你看了三十一条不同的路径

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让你自己去体会

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为什么这些路径虽然都走通了

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却还是不够

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为什么不够

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因为他们全都在用语言来证明不二

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而语言

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本身就是最大的二元工具

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你可能也有过这种体会

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你心里有一种感受

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特别清晰

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但你一开口说

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就觉得不对了

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说出来的只是近似

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因为语言是离散的

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是一个个词拼起来的

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但你的感受是连续的

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是一整片的

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你用碎片去拼一整片

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总有缝隙

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这不是你表达能力的问题

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这是语言这个工具的先天结构决定的

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你用主语和谓语构成一个句子

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你就已经在分类了

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你说垢和净是一

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你用了三个词来说明没有分别

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但你说话的这个过程本身

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就在制造分别

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这就好比什么呢

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1931年

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一位叫哥德尔的数学家证明了一件事

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任何一个自洽的 足够强大的形式系统

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都没办法在自己内部证明自己没有矛盾

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换句话说

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系统没法靠自己为自己的可靠性担保

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语言说不清语言之外的东西

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地图画不进地图本身

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三十一位菩萨做的事情

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就是在语言这个系统内部

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用语言的工具

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去否定语言制造的边界

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他们说的都没有错

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但他们困在了一个结构性的牢笼里

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而这个牢笼

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恰恰是他们手里的工具搭出来的

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这就是为什么你越琢磨他们的回答越觉得精彩

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但越精彩你越觉得差了点什么

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不是他们说得不够好

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是他们用来说的那个东西

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天生就做不到这件事

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这个时候

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文殊菩萨站起来了

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他说

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在我看来

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对一切法不说 不解释 不指示 不认知

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远离一切问答

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这才是入不二法门

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你看到区别了吗

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前面三十一位菩萨都在回答这个问题

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文殊菩萨做了一件不同的事

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他指出了回答本身就是问题所在

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打个比方

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前面三十一个人都在用中文讨论中文的语法规则

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想从里面找到一条通道走出去

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文殊菩萨跳出来说

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中文这个工具本身就有天花板

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你在它里面讨论它的局限

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永远讨论不到底

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但你有没有发现

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即便是文殊菩萨

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他的回答也带着一个讽刺

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他用语言说了不要用语言

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他用一个陈述来否定所有陈述

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就像在一块告示牌上写着

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请忽略这块告示牌

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所以文殊菩萨比三十一位菩萨高一个层级

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但他仍然没有完全跳出来

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然后文殊菩萨转向维摩诘居士

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问他怎么看

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维摩诘没有说话

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经文里就四个字

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默然无言

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之前的视频已经专门讲过这个沉默的意义

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今天我不再展开

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我想让你注意的是这个结构本身

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三十一位菩萨用语言消解对立

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文殊菩萨否定了语言这个工具

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维摩诘连否定都放弃了

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这是一个三级台阶

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第一级

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在系统内部解题

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第二级

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跳出系统

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评论系统的局限

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第三级

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连评论都不做了

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你知道哥德尔之后的数理逻辑里出现了什么吗

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一模一样的结构

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在一个形式系统里

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你可以推导定理

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但你总会碰到系统本身说不出来的命题

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于是你搭一个更高的系统去审视它

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但那个更高的系统也有它自己说不出来的东西

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你可以无限往上搭

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每一层都逃不掉自己的不完备

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唯一跳出来的方式

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不是搭更高的一层

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是放弃搭建这个行为本身

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我们这个系列一直在做一件事

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就是把古老的佛学文本和现代的科学结构放在一起看

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不是为了证明哪边更高明

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而是为了看清

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人类的思维在不同时代 不同语言里

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碰到的天花板是不是同一个

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这部经大约写于公元一到二世纪之间

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哥德尔的证明在1931年

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一千八百年左右的时间差

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却碰到了相似的结构

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我不是说古人预见了现代数学

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我是说

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人的思维碰到的这道墙

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一直都在那里

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不管你用梵文 中文还是符号逻辑去撞

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撞到的是同一堵墙

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我常常想

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不二法门品的作者到底是什么样的人

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他用一场辩论的形式

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让三十三个声音依次出场

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不是为了比谁说得好

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而是让你亲眼看到语言这个工具的天花板长什么样

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每一层回答都比上一层更精准

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但每一层也都还在工具的限度之内

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直到最后一个人

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什么都没说

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这大概就是为什么

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不二法门品在整部维摩诘经里

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常被看作全经的高潮

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它不只是一个哲学论证

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它是一场现场演示

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它让你亲眼看着三十一把钥匙依次插进锁孔

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每一把都转得动

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但门就是没开

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然后有人告诉你

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门本来就没有锁

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然后又有人什么都没做

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门开了

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如果你今天只带走一个东西

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那就是这个

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当你在生活里遇到某个怎么想都想不通的矛盾

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试着停一下

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检查你用来思考这个问题的那个工具

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你可能也有过这种时候

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两个选择摆在面前

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利弊分析做了一遍又一遍

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越分析越纠结

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不是你分析得不够细

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恰恰是你分析得太细了

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分析本身就在不断强化这两个选项之间的对立

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它让你越来越相信这是一个非此即彼的问题

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但也许它本来就不是

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有时候你需要做的不是继续分析

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而是退后一步

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看看分析这件事本身在对你做什么

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三十一位菩萨教给我们的不只是三十一种解法

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他们教给我们的是

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解法本身可以变成新的牢笼

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答案有可能本身就是障碍

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想明白这一点的那个瞬间

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也许比任何答案都有用

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你觉得这个理解有道理吗

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你有没有过越分析越纠结的时刻

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很想听听你的想法

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我是王利杰

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我们下期见