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当下的力量>说活在当下

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但小我为什么这么难消

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这本书在全球卖了超过一千六百万册

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它的核心只有四个字

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活在当下

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你可能读过它

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也可能在书架上搁了好几年

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等着哪天心情好的时候再翻出来

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我先问你一个问题

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你现在

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活在当下吗

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如果你正在开车

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你的脑子有没有在想等会儿要做什么

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如果你正在陪孩子玩

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你有没有在心里惦记着一封没回的邮件

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如果你正在听我说话

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你有没有一部分注意力

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已经飘走了

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大多数人

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不在当下

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而且大概率

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你读了这本书之后

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还是不在当下

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这不是你的问题

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也不是托利的问题

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这是一个更深的问题

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它需要一套更完整的框架才能看清楚

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哈喽

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大家好

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我是王利杰

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今天我们来拆一本全球畅销书

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埃克哈特·托利的当下的力量

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我要做一件托利本人没做过的事

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用唯识学的框架来翻译他找到的东西

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然后告诉你

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他的地图画到了哪里

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以及地图边缘之外

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还有什么

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先说这个人

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托利是德国人

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1948年出生在鲁尔区的一个小城

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他在伦敦大学读完语言和历史

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然后在剑桥大学做了一段时间的研究员和导师

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二十九岁的时候

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他陷入了极度的抑郁

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他形容那段时间

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每天早晨醒来

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都感觉活着本身就是一种折磨

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就在某一天深夜

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痛苦到了顶点

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他突然冒出了一个念头

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我实在无法继续跟我自己生活在一起了

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然后他停了一下

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等等

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这句话有点奇怪

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我跟我自己

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是两个人吗

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如果我受不了的是我自己

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那谁在受不了谁

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就是这个问题

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引发了某种深层的变化

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他后来描述

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那一刻

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他感觉一切都变了

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脑子里的那个声音突然安静了

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他陷入了一种从未体验过的宁静

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第二天早晨他醒来

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走到窗边

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看到外面的一棵树

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他说那棵树比他这辈子看过的任何东西都要美

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要真实

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他就那样站在那里

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什么都没想

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只是看着

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接下来的将近两年

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他住在朋友的沙发上

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经常去伦敦罗素广场的公园长椅上坐着

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什么都不做

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只是存在着

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邻居们以为他疯了

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但他说他从来没有那么清醒过

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后来他把这段经历

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还有他对意识的理解

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写成了当下的力量这本书

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好

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我们来看这本书的核心主张

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托利说

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人的痛苦

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来自一个叫做小我的东西

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小我是什么

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是你脑子里那个不停说话的声音

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你有没有注意过

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你的脑子几乎从来不安静

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一件事结束了

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另一件事立刻开始

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你吃饭在想工作

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工作的时候在担忧未来

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睡觉前在复盘白天的对话

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凌晨三点在想一件两年前说错的话

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这个声音

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就是小我

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我们之前聊过一个斯坦福的脑机接口实验

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你心里默念的每一个字

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运动皮层都在同步放电

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这个声音不是比喻

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它是一条真实的、可测量的神经活动流

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它不是你本人

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它是在你的意识里运作的一个自动化程序

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但因为它的声音太像你自己的声音

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你就以为它就是你

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托利还提出了一个概念

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叫痛苦之身

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他说

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你过去经历的每一次情绪创伤

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每一次没有被完全处理的痛苦

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都没有消失

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它们作为一种能量残留

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储存在你的身体里

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形成一个沉睡的情绪载体

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这个载体会定期被激活

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一旦激活

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它会接管你的思维和行为

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让你以加倍的力度重新体验过去的痛苦

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我相信很多人有过这种经历

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你以为自己已经从某段感情里走出来了

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某一天

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你在地铁上偶然听到了一首歌

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胸口突然一紧

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整个人就崩了

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那不是你选择的

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那是痛苦之身被触发了

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托利的处方是什么

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很简单：观察

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他说

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当你能够观察自己的想法

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而不是被想法带走的时候

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你就不再是那个想法

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你成了观察者

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当你注意到痛苦之身开始运作

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你只需要保持临在

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保持觉知

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不要认同它

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它就会失去力量

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到这里

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我要说一句让很多读过这本书的人可能没有想到的话

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托利描述的这整套东西

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唯识学在一千多年前就已经把它系统化了

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不是隐约相似

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是有完整的技术规格

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我们来做一个翻译

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托利说的小我

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对应的是唯识学的第七识

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末那识

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这个名字我们在这个系列里聊过很多次了

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末那识干什么

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它有一个功能

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叫恒审思量

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恒是永不停歇

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审是审视

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思量是判断和衡量

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它二十四小时不休息地做一件事

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把意识深处的活动贴上一个标签

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这是我的

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这是关于我的

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这对我意味着什么

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你跟朋友吃饭

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朋友的手机响了

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他低头看了一眼

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末那识立刻启动：他是不是对我不感兴趣

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他是不是觉得今天的对话很无聊

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他以前不是这样的

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最近他是不是在疏远我

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朋友的手机可能只是一条快递提醒

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但末那识已经在一秒钟内把这件事

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变成了一个关于你的故事

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这个声音

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就是托利说的小我

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托利说的痛苦之身

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对应的是唯识学里的种子现行

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阿赖耶识

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就是第八识

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是你意识深层的种子仓库

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你过去所有经历留下的印记

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都以种子的形式存在那里

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这些种子平时处于潜伏状态

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但一旦遇到合适的外缘

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就会现行

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就会从潜能状态爆发出来

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变成你当下的体验和反应

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托利说痛苦之身会被激活

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就是在描述这个机制

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种子遇缘现行

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那首触动你的歌

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就是外缘

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你以为已经结疤的伤口

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其实只是种子还没有完全转化

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它在等下一个触发点

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而托利说的临在意识

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那个观察小我的观察者

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用唯识学的语言来说

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接近于自证分

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四分说里

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自证分是认知活动里那个觉察到自己正在认知的功能

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你不仅在看那棵树

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你还知道自己在看树

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你不仅被愤怒劫持

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你还能觉察到自己正在被愤怒劫持

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这个元层次的觉知

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就是托利说的临在

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你看

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一个德国人

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在公园的长椅上坐了两年

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用自己的语言描述出来的东西

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和古代印度的修行者通过内观建立的那套架构

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是同一个系统的不同版本

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这件事本身就很有意思

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它说明某些关于意识的真相

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不是文化发明出来的

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它是可以被独立发现的

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但现在到了这期最有意思的地方

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托利止步在哪里

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他看见了末那识

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也看见了种子现行的表现

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还发现了自证分的存在

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但他对这一切的处方

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只有两个字：观察

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问题来了

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如果观察就能解决问题

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为什么那么多人读了当下的力量

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观察了好多年

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小我还是每天早上准时回来

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这不是嘲笑托利

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这是一个非常严肃的问题

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答案在阿赖耶识

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托利找到了末那识

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但他没有谈到末那识为什么那么强大

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那么难以撼动

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唯识学给出的答案是

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末那识的力量来源

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是阿赖耶识里的种子

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你能看见末那识的运作

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但种子是在更深的地方

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它在你看见末那识之前就已经在生效了

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就像你能看见河面上的漩涡

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但漩涡的力量来自河底的暗流

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你盯着漩涡看

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漩涡不会消失

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因为驱动它的东西在你看不见的地方

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这就解释了一个很多修行者都遇到过的困惑

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我已经很有觉察力了

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我知道愤怒来了

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我能观察到它

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但它还是很有力量

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还是会影响我的行为

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还是会在我不注意的时候冒出来

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唯识学的回答是：观察的确有用

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但它作用在末那识这一层

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而你真正需要处理的

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是阿赖耶识层面的种子结构

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仅靠观察末那识

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就像每次发现漏水就用抹布擦

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但没有去修那根漏水的管道

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末那识只是出水口

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种子仓库才是水源

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那种子结构怎么转化

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唯识学给出了一套完整的方法

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叫熏习

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就像把一块白布放在花旁边

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花的香气会慢慢渗进布里

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你每一次持戒

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每一次念佛

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每一次打坐

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每一次深入思考

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本质上都是在给阿赖耶识输入新的种子

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同时让旧的负面种子因为缺少滋养而慢慢失去活性

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这是一个需要时间的过程

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是一个持续迭代的过程

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不是靠某一次顿悟或者某一次观察完成的

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当然

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顿悟是存在的

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但顿悟发生的条件

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往往是那个人在阿赖耶识层面已经做了大量的积累

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种子已经足够成熟

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只差最后一个外缘

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托利在公园长椅上那两年

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很可能就是一段深层的自然净化过程

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只是他没有这套语言来描述它

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好

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现在我要讲一个有点讽刺的事

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当下的力量出版之后

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带动了一整个产业

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你可以去参加托利的线下讲座

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买他的冥想音频

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买他的日历

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买他的带着他语录的马克杯

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全球有数以百万计的人

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把自己定义为当下的力量的信奉者

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他们在社交媒体上分享临在的状态

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讨论小我的陷阱

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互相指出谁说话的时候还在认同小我

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你看到问题了吗

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一个人把自己定义为一个活在当下的人

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然后积极地维护和传播这个身份

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这个行为

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恰恰是末那识在换了一张皮继续运作

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我要成为一个有灵性的人

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我要让别人看见我活在当下

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我和那些还活在小我里的普通人不一样

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这不是修行

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这是精神消费主义

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末那识没有消失

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它只是找到了一个更高端的品牌

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我做投资这么多年

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见过太多类似的现象

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很多人读了很多商业书籍

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参加了很多训练营

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他们的自我叙事从一个普通人升级

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成了一个有底层思维的人

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一个有系统认知的人

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但你如果仔细观察

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会发现这些新标签

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和旧标签在结构上没有任何区别

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末那识还是末那识

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只是换了更体面的衣服

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创业圈有一种很常见的现象

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创始人一边在台上讲用户第一

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一边在背后所有决策都是围绕着我不能输

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我的判断不能被否定

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这是末那识穿着价值观的外衣在说话

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唯识学对这个陷阱有一个极其精确的描述

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叫遍计所执

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你把依他起的事物贴上固定的标签

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然后执着于这个标签

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原来你执着于我是一个成功的人

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现在你执着于我是一个活在当下的人

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标签换了

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执着的机制没有变

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更深的讽刺在这里

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托利本人其实意识到了这个问题

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他在书里说

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如果你把这本书当成一种知识来获取

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你就错过了它

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它不是一个思想体系

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它只是一根指向月亮的手指

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可是有多少人

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在研究那根手指的艺术造型

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而不是看月亮

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佛学里有一句话

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更直接：法尚应舍

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何况非法

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筏是渡河用的

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渡过河就要放下

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当下的力量也是筏

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但很多人把筏供起来了

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好

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我们现在来到这期最深的那个问题

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托利的临在意识

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那个观察小我的观察者

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它到底是谁

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我们之前用道家的语言聊过这个问题

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说话的是识神

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听的是元神

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但唯识学不满足于给观察者一个名字

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它会追问一个更尖锐的问题

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托利说

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它是你的真实存在

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是那个本来的你

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超越于思想和小我之外的纯粹觉知

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但佛学会在这里追问一个问题：这个观察者

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是一个独立的、稳定的实体吗

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还是说

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它也是意识系统的一个功能

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唯识学说

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自证分

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那个觉察到自己在认知的功能

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本身也是识的一部分

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它不是站在系统外面的上帝视角

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它是系统内部的自我检测机制

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这个区别极其关键

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如果观察者是一个真实的、超越系统之外的存在

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那么靠观察就可以得到解脱

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但如果观察者本身也是系统的一部分

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那么问题就复杂多了

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这也解释了为什么很多人打坐了很多年

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培养了很强的觉察力

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但烦恼还是会回来

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不是觉察力不够

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而是观察者本身还携带着种子

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你能观察到愤怒升起

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但你对愤怒的观察

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本身可能就带着一种微细的对愤怒的厌恶

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而这种厌恶

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是另一颗种子

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你以为你在观察

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其实你是在用一颗种子

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试图压制另一颗种子

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佛学对这个问题的处理

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到最后走向无我

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不是有一个纯粹的观察者在观察小我

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而是当觉知的功能足够成熟

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连观察者这个标签也脱落了

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没有一个人在观察

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只有觉知本身

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没有主体

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没有客体

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只有清明

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唯识学叫这个状态大圆镜智

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第八识转化之后的状态

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像一面没有灰尘的镜子

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如实映照一切

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不扭曲

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不添加

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不执着

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托利在他那两年的公园经历里

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很可能碰触到了这个状态的边缘

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他把它叫做临在

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但他没有给出走到这里的完整路径

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他只是说

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放下小我

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保持觉知

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这话没有错

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00:14:27,711 --> 00:14:28,788
但没有说完

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就像有人告诉你

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从上海到新疆

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方向是往西走

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方向是对的

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但你还是需要一张完整的地图

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才能真的走到

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当下的力量给了你方向

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唯识学给了你地图

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这不是在说托利不够好

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00:14:44,951 --> 00:14:45,947
恰恰相反

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我觉得他做了一件非常了不起的事

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他用一个现代西方人能够接受的语言

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把一个在亚洲修行传统里埋了几千年的核心洞见

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带进了主流视野

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让超过一千六百万人第一次意识到

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脑子里那个声音不是你

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这已经是很大的贡献了

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但贡献不等于完整

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那么最后一个问题

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留给你们

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如果连我要活在当下这个念头

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本身也是小我的运作

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如果就连这个想要觉悟的冲动

447
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也是末那识在说我要成为一个更好的我

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那么

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有没有一种修行

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是完全不需要一个想要进步的我来启动的

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佛法里有

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但那是另一张地图的起点了

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这个问题

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比当下的力量整本书都要值得花一生去探索

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你读过这本书吗

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有没有遇到过托利的方法在你身上失效的时刻

457
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那个时刻发生了什么

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我很想听你说说

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我是王利杰

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我们下期见